Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

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Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby Drang » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:06

Given the resounding success of my repeatedly bleating at Eugen (autoloaders for Pact tanks), I will again resort to the standard British tactic of complaining repeatedly, or "terrorism", as it is known in France, in an effort to rebuild the Empire and make the game more enjoyable.

In the spirit of fairness, I will begin with our enemies, REDFOR, and how their tanks can be improved as to provide worthy targets for Her Majesty's Armies, and supporting acts.

General:

HE: Tank cannons are still too effective versus infantry, compared either to autocannons, artillery, or MGs. All tank gun HE should be reduced by 1, including dedicated fire support vehicles, the Sheridan, and all other sacred cows.


Spoiler : Comrade Stalin's Bargain Basement :
T-55A: A 10% increase in accuracy and a +2 buff to frontal AV are in order. This thing is at least as survivable as a basic Centurion.
T-55AM: +5% ACC, +1 AV, -5pts.
T-55AM2/AMV: Roll into one unit. 50pts. Poor optics. 60kph. Front AV 11. Increase Bastion accuracy to 50%

T-62/62 Obr 75: +1AV, -5pts. Would also recommend rolling the -62 and the -62 obr 75 into one unit as they're redundant. Lower to Poor Optics
T-62M1 and M: -10pts. Poor Optics.
T-62MV-1: -10pts, Poor Optics.

T-64A: 5% increase to accuracy
T-64B: +5% to gun and ATGM acc, -5pts. 2275m range.
T-64BM: -5pts, 2275m range+5% to Kobra. Poor Optics
T-64BV/BV1: Poor Optics, -5pts.

T-72: 2100m range. +1RoF.
T-72A: 2275m range. +1 RoF, Poor Optics
T-72B/B1: Poor Optics +5% acc
T-72B 87: Re roll to T-72B1 89 (remove ATGM). Poor optics. 140pts
T-72B 89: Poor optics. 145pts.
T-72BU: -10pts

T-80: +10% Acc. Poor Optics
T-80B: Leave. Is surprisingly good
T-80BV: Poor Optics. -5pts
T-80A: D even C. Poor Optics.
T-80U: -10pts
T-80UM: -10pts

Su-122/54: HE3.


Spoiler : Beastern Blok :
Balance around Soviet counterparts. Supertanks are fine.


Spoiler : Best Korea :
Chomna-Ho: -10pts, +1AV
Chomna-Ho II: +15% Acc (I'm assuming the Dear Leader has discovered computers and laser range finding by 1985). Strela-3 launcher added.
Chomna-Ho IV: +20% acc, Strela-3 launcher, -10pts.
Sinhung: +2AP (to bring to 1985 100mm gun standard).


Spoiler : Mao tse krieg :
ZTZ-59 I: See T-55A.
ZTZ-59 II: +1 AV, -10pts (unless it had LRF and comparable rounds to the T-55AM, in which case, please copypasta).
ZTZ-59 III: 2275m range, Poor optics, +10% acc, -5pts.

ZTZ-88: 2275m range, +10% stabs, Poor Optics
ZTZ-85 II: -5pts, Poor Optics, +10% stabs
ZTZ-85IIA: +1RoF, Poor Optics, +20% stabs
ZTZ 85 III: +1RoF, +30% stabs, Poor Optics, -5pts


Spoiler : Margaret Thatcher's Revenge! :
Chieftain Mk.2: +1 RoF, 2100m range
Chieftain Mk.5: +1 RoF, 2275 range
Chieftain Mk.10: +1 RoF, 2275m range
Chieftain Mk. 11: +1 RoF, Medium Optics (actually had thermals!)

Challenger 1 Mk.1: Poor Optics, +1 RoF (Did not have thermals).
Challenger 1 Mk.2: +1 RoF
Challenger 1 Mk.3: +1RoF
CR2: Leave.

Scorpion: 1975m range, +15% acc, leave HE at 2.


Spoiler : French Bias :
AMX-30: Remove, re-roll to AMX-30B2 Daguet (1991)
AMX-30B: Remains.
AMX-30B2: 2275m range
AMX-30B2 Daguet: Brennus stats with AMX-30B2 armour.
AMX-30B2 Brennus: 1995 prototype, AP18 gun, 65% acc.

AMX-32: -10% acc, -5pts, Poor Optics
AMX-40: -5% acc, -5pts, Poor Optics.

Leclerc: +5pts, -1AV.



Spoiler : America, yeah. :
M1 Abrams: Fine.
M11P: 2275m range, Medium Optics. +10pts.
M1A1HA: Set to 1991, upgrade ammo to 22AP. Deal with it. Set to be available to the Marine deck. Remove M1A1HC. +10pts.
M1A2: Is fine.

M60A1 USMC: -5pts.
M60A1 AOS/M60A1 Rise Patton: Merge! +15% Acc, 2100m range. Set to marine availability. Deal with it.
M60A2 Starship: Shillaleigh-C. HE4.
M60A2Ewhatever: HE4
Sheridan: HE4.
M60A3: -1 frontal AV (did not receive any armour upgrades). -10pts. Can not see any evidence for stabilizer upgrades.
M60A1 ERA: -2 frontal AV, -5pts.
Super M60: Fine.
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Re: Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby Rusknight » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:10

Drang wrote:Given the resounding success of my repeatedly bleating at Eugen (autoloaders for Pact tanks), I will again resort to the standard British tactic of complaining repeatedly, or "terrorism", as it is known in France, in an effort to rebuild the Empire and make the game more enjoyable.

In the spirit of fairness, I will begin with our enemies, REDFOR, and how their tanks can be improved as to provide worthy targets for Her Majesty's Armies, and supporting acts.

General:

HE: Tank cannons are still too effective versus infantry, compared either to autocannons, artillery, or MGs. All tank gun HE should be reduced by 1, including dedicated fire support vehicles.



Spoiler : Comrade Stalin's Bargain Basement :
T-55A: A 10% increase in accuracy and a +2 buff to frontal AV are in order. This thing is at least as survivable as a basic Centurion.

T-55AM: +5% ACC, +1 AV, -5pts.

T-55AM2/AMV: Roll into one unit. 50pts. Poor optics. 60kph. Front AV 11. Increase Bastion accuracy to 50%

T-62/62 Obr 75: +1AV, -5pts. Would also recommend rolling the -62 and the -62 obr 75 into one unit as they're redundant. Lower to Poor Optics

T-62M1 and M: -10pts. Poor Optics.

T-62MV-1: -10pts, Poor Optics.

T-64A: 5% increase to accuracy

T-64B: +5% to gun and ATGM acc, -5pts. 2275m range.

T-64BM: -5pts, 2275m range+5% to Kobra. Remove medium optics.

T-64BV/BV1: - leave.

T-72: 2100m range. +1RoF.

T-72A: 2275m range. +1 RoF, Poor Optics

T-72B/B1: Poor Optics

T-72B 87/89: Roll into one unit (1989), drop price by 5pts. Poor Optics.

T-72BU: Leave.

T-80: +10% Acc. Poor Optics

T-80B: Leave. Is surprisingly good

T-80BV: Poor Optics.

T-80A: D even C. Poor Optics.

T-80U: Poor Optics.

T-80UM: Leave.


So basically just nerf all pact tanks optics to poor even for 100+ points tanks? Eugen should hire you, they use the same weird logic balancing the game.
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Re: Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby D-M » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:12

Just force Eugen to apply what they forgot in their patch notes...
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Re: Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby Drang » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:13

Rusknight wrote:
So basically just nerf all pact tanks optics to poor even for 100+ points tanks? Eugen should hire you, they use the same weird logic balancing the game.


No thermals, no medium optics. Get over it.

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Re: Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby Zaskow » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:16

Why chally should have +1 rof? Also t-55 must get stats of sheksna missile, instead stats of bastion.
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Re: Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby Drang » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:17

Zaskow wrote:Why chally should have +1 rof? Also t-55 must get stats of sheksna missile, instead stats of bastion.


Reality?

Also, BTR mentioned something about the missiles having identical guidance, just different warheads/range, so I just standardized the accuracy.

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Postby Zaskow » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:23

Drang wrote:Also, BTR mentioned something about the missiles having identical guidance, just different warheads/range, so I just standardized the accuracy.


I don't find any info about different warheads. Bastion and Sheksna have the same penetration. Only arkan (successor) has an upgraded penetration.

And t-80u deserves medium optics, i said why.
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Re: Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby 47andrej » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:26

Some points:
1. You have to revise other nation tanks to remove or let them their optics level aswell (thermals).
2. Imo instead of rolling Obr. 87 and 89 into one unit make one of them ATGM-less tank.

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Re: Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby Zaskow » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:41

Also...
Why t-80um is soo expensive? Compare it with leo2a5, which 5pts cheaper, but a far stronger. And don't tell me about ATGM. If it even hits, leo can kill t-80um faster, coz 20 av of t-80.
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Re: Comrade Drang's Tank Suggestions, Version 2

Postby Drang » Thu 1 Jan 2015 18:43

47andrej wrote:Some points:
1. You have to revise other nation tanks to remove or let them their optics level aswell (thermals).
2. Imo instead of rolling Obr. 87 and 89 into one unit make one of them ATGM-less tank.


1. I have with the British, other nations will be adjusted accordingly.
2. Your idea is better, I will implement it.

Zaskow wrote:And t-80u deserves medium optics, i said why.



Soviet tanks didn't have ATGMS on anything but the command tank. I doubt the basic T-80U would have had thermals. Possibly the command tank.

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