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MiG-29K

Postby Alexander » Mon 26 Jan 2015 09:10

It is desirable to increase the range Kh-31A with 4375 to 4500m.

This will have a positive effect on the survival rates of the aircraft, just he's too expensive for a disposable raids :oops:

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Re: MiG-29K

Postby trineroks » Mon 26 Jan 2015 09:36

Even at 4500m range, it has 4 AShM missiles. Which means by the time it fires off all 4 of them, it'll still be well within range of most ship anti air missiles.

I go for the 5600m range planes and don't settle for anything under 4900m. Even 4900m gets your plane dangerously close to ships.
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Re: MiG-29K

Postby Mike » Mon 26 Jan 2015 09:55

trineroks wrote:Even at 4500m range, it has 4 AShM missiles. Which means by the time it fires off all 4 of them, it'll still be well within range of most ship anti air missiles.

I go for the 5600m range planes and don't settle for anything under 4900m. Even 4900m gets your plane dangerously close to ships.

I've yet to use the MiG-29K because I look at it and think it's just gonna be on a suicide mission vs an ship with a decent air defense. It needs to be equipped with longer ranged ASM or be reroled into something else. I'm sure Czechoslovakia would love a MiG-29 ASF.
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Re: MiG-29K

Postby f4llout » Mon 26 Jan 2015 10:57

Mike wrote:
trineroks wrote:Even at 4500m range, it has 4 AShM missiles. Which means by the time it fires off all 4 of them, it'll still be well within range of most ship anti air missiles.

I go for the 5600m range planes and don't settle for anything under 4900m. Even 4900m gets your plane dangerously close to ships.

I've yet to use the MiG-29K because I look at it and think it's just gonna be on a suicide mission vs an ship with a decent air defense. It needs to be equipped with longer ranged ASM or be reroled into something else. I'm sure Czechoslovakia would love a MiG-29 ASF.


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Re: MiG-29K

Postby Yakhont » Mon 26 Jan 2015 12:32

Would steelth help?

The Soviet Navy one has dark paint much like the Yak-36


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Look at that, such a good paint job

More seriously, its a later MiG29 version that has RAM coating, and probably has the composit wings of the MiG-29M

I see it more of a support weapons anyway, or picking off lone ships
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Re: MiG-29K

Postby molnibalage » Mon 26 Jan 2015 14:10

The key for successful MiG-29K ASM strike to follow other AC which stress the air defense which launch SAM on incoming first ASMs than can come the MiG-29K. Same as with A-6E TRAM than F-111Gs.

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Re: MiG-29K

Postby themediocrity » Mon 26 Jan 2015 18:50

There's not much point to it unless someone is dumb enough to make a navy entirely composed of Type-21s and Fremantles. It'll die every time. The targeting system in the game aims for the most points/hit and since the Mig-29K is the 3rd most expensive plane in the game it will always draw fire from every AA system in range (which will be a lot by the time it fires it's second pair of missiles) regardless of how many other aircraft participate in the strike.

It is currently vastly overpriced compared to other ASM aircraft. An F-111G has much more range and power, is faster and is 40 points less. The TRAM is cheaper still, has the same range and power as the F-111G and is surprisingly survivable because it is so slow that its second pair of missiles gets fired at more range (a Sov will kill it every time but against some of the intermediate range RED ships it can sometimes escape without being targeted by more than one missile.

The "advantage" of R-73s on an ASM aircraft is questionable at best. It's too expensive to risk in a dogfight even against much cheaper aircraft not to mention the lower speed makes intercepting enemy strike planes mostly impossible. If the R-73s could hit helis it could defend against the Super Puma swarm tactic but since they can't/won't there's no added utility there either. The Tornado MFG suffers from a similar (though slightly less pronounced) problem.

Both could use a big price cut (probably 30-40 points). They can pick off lone escort ships but so can the more functional ASM planes (SU-27K, Feibao, F/A-18E,CF-18, Tornado Gr.1B) that are a little cheaper, or the weaker ASM planes that are much cheaper.

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Re: MiG-29K

Postby Mike » Mon 26 Jan 2015 20:17

molnibalage wrote:The key for successful MiG-29K ASM strike to follow other AC which stress the air defense which launch SAM on incoming first ASMs than can come the MiG-29K. Same as with A-6E TRAM than F-111Gs.


I normally have aircraft in front of Su-27K's so there missiles get taken out by the CIWS and the Moskits get through :twisted:
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