most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

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most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby codextero » Tue 24 Feb 2015 18:37

This is not a serious thread about game balance, but rather for flavor.

Nobody expects units to be represented 100% accurately in a game, things must be sacrificed on the altar of fun and game balance. Some units are over-modeled to be more powerful than their IRL counterparts within the abstraction rules. Others are made less so because with their IRL capabilities, they would snap game balance in half.

So what does everyone think are the most "over/under" modeled units in the game.

Just a reminder, having less range than IRL isn't under-modeled if it's peers all have the same range, and so forth.

I'll start with a few.

Undermodeled

Kongo Class
- The Kongo's VLS is horribly modeled. It shoots slower and shoots less than the box launchers of other capital ships (looking at you Lafayette) when the whole point of a VLS is being able to put more missiles in the air.
- Aegis combat system not modeled, Kongo has no ability to engage multiple targets at once (to be fair, no other unit has)
- SM-2 is under-modeled, it's a missile that out-ranges the Patriot by another 50%, has excellent accuracy. In game it gets a pathetic 50% accuracy and the same range as the Naval Buk, which it has 4 times as much range IRL.
- The main anti-shipping weapon of the Kongo are it's naval tomahawks, with very long range and high damage, but it's low speed would have made it easier to shoot down. Not modeled.
- Less health than Udaloy 2 when it displaces a whole 30% more with steel superstructure

T-90
- the defining feature of the T-90 are it's defensive suite, neither it's Hard-kill system, IR dazzler, or laser warning system are modeled, leaving it as a pure gun/armor upgrade to the T-72 series.

Overmodeled

MG3, and esp L.MG3
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Re: most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby stratmania » Tue 24 Feb 2015 18:43

Undermodeled: Probably the Apache Longbow or the Mig-25/31 series for me. They have the ability to engage multiple targets simultaneously IRL.

Overmodeled: Hmm... I want to say Infantry LAWs, but that is too general. Perhaps the T-62 RoF or the leopard 1 armor would ring more bells (and upset more people).

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Re: most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby Red Army » Tue 24 Feb 2015 19:18

The most over-modeled unit in the game is probably the Challenger 2. It has great turret armour, but its front hull armour has more in common with a T-72 than a good tank.

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Re: most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby Lord Helmchen » Tue 24 Feb 2015 19:21

Red Army wrote:The most over-modeled unit in the game is probably the Challenger 2. It has great turret armour, but its front hull armour has more in common with a T-72 than a good tank.

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Re: most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby Uberdude9001 » Tue 24 Feb 2015 19:39

Lord Helmchen wrote:
Red Army wrote:The most over-modeled unit in the game is probably the Challenger 2. It has great turret armour, but its front hull armour has more in common with a T-72 than a good tank.

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He's right though, the driver uses a sheet of glass to see instead of a periscope. There's also no way the armor around this sheet of glass is anywhere near as thick as the rest of the tank due to how close it is located to the turret ring and the requirement that the driver can fit his head behind it.

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The most overmodeled unit is definitely the skrezhet. The idea of something with a completely exposed gunner having 2 frontal and 2 side armor is disgusting. There's also its anti-helo range that rivals actual SPAAGs. It has no business threatening helicopters anymore than any other autocannon IFV.

An honorable mention goes to the M551 Sheridan, which has 4x its IRL fire rate and twice its IRL gun range despite most tanks having shorter gun range than reality.

The most undermodeled is going to be one of the high end helicopters or aircraft, we can spend the rest of the thread arguing about which one.
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Re: most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby codextero » Tue 24 Feb 2015 19:47

Uberdude9001 wrote:He's right though, the driver uses a sheet of glass to see instead of a periscope. There's also no way the armor around this sheet of glass is anywhere near as thick as the rest of the tank due to how close it is located to the turret ring.

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Wow that's the first time I noticed that, so that's why steel beasts rates that part as only 160mm vs KE.

Who in their right mind thought that this was a good design? tanks since the T-55 have completely relied on driver periscopes to remove vision port weak spots.

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Re: most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby Solo » Tue 24 Feb 2015 20:02

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Re: most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby BeyondNight » Tue 24 Feb 2015 20:31

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Re: most "undermodeled"/"overmodeled" unit

Postby Mike » Tue 24 Feb 2015 20:35

Undermodeled? Longbow (But it doesn't need a buff), USAF, and the armor of just about every top end tank.

Overmodeled? The amount of R-77's present and the US's ground based ADN.
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