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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby molnibalage » Fri 8 May 2015 16:39

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby Razzmann » Fri 8 May 2015 16:42

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby frostypooky » Fri 8 May 2015 16:43

"SU-100 has better armor than M8 AGS, and its just 20 pts, this is unfair to USA"

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby stratmania » Fri 8 May 2015 16:48

molnibalage wrote:I love the trolls of this forum...

Me too, if they made any point.
The fact that the T-62MV-1 is good does not help all other T-62 series... or soviet motorized at all (strangely).
Also, the T-62 series is only in mechanized, armored, and support which means that they either look bad compared to everyone else,
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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby Znail » Fri 8 May 2015 16:53

EInarial wrote:That's what it's for. Killing mediums, stopping cheap spam, hitting troop transports and soft targets. Not taking on T-72BUs 15 years more advanced.

But that requires someone to actually bring medium tanks for it to fight against. Leo 1s rule the 40-60pts range 1 vs 1, but it's not like you have to bring tanks in that range and that kind of removes the main advantage of the Leo 1s. Tanks in the 80-100 pts range doesn't cost that much more and can do everything the Leo 1 can do, plus kill Leo 1s. It also doesn't help that the Red ATGM tanks play more like armored ATGM launchers and are thus unlikely to offer up a fair fight.

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby stratmania » Fri 8 May 2015 17:04

Znail wrote:
EInarial wrote:That's what it's for. Killing mediums, stopping cheap spam, hitting troop transports and soft targets. Not taking on T-72BUs 15 years more advanced.

But that requires someone to actually bring medium tanks for it to fight against. Leo 1s rule the 40-60pts range 1 vs 1, but it's not like you have to bring tanks in that range and that kind of removes the main advantage of the Leo 1s. Tanks in the 80-100 pts range doesn't cost that much more and can do everything the Leo 1 can do, plus kill Leo 1s. It also doesn't help that the Red ATGM tanks play more like armored ATGM launchers and are thus unlikely to offer up a fair fight.

Just 1 problem: with the ATGM mechanic nerf, and the low acc, I highly doubt those missiles can hit. (higher acc than 50% is rare, apparently.) How the hell is the bastion/sheksna LESS accurate than the base TOW? Were they unreliable as hell or sth?

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby another505 » Fri 8 May 2015 17:08

is just eugen somehow love the TOW so much

konkurs M and Milan 3 has 50 accuracy and they are in the 90s, while base tow in 70s has 50 percent too..

and SALH which should be more reliable than wire guided gets 40 percent like 80s bastion...
then lastly, tow 2 with its magical 70 percent out of nowhere
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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby molnibalage » Fri 8 May 2015 17:15

konkurs M and Milan 3 has 50 accuracy and they are in the 90s, while base tow in 70s has 50 percent too..

And was nerfed from 17AP (ALB) to 15AP which makes garbage even in C cat games. Only similar stone age ATGMs have less AP as Matyulka. iTOW was also nerfed from 22 to 20AP. Considering that USSR has helo and land based C cat ATGM with 20AP where the hardest target has only 15AV... In C categoy best red tanks have 13 front AV and BMPT has 14.

Except strange AP values I also do not understand why has low base ACC AND range for Milan and Konkurs-M.

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby stratmania » Fri 8 May 2015 17:40

molnibalage wrote:
konkurs M and Milan 3 has 50 accuracy and they are in the 90s, while base tow in 70s has 50 percent too..

And was nerfed from 17AP (ALB) to 15AP which makes garbage even in C cat games. Only similar stone age ATGMs have less AP as Matyulka. iTOW was also nerfed from 22 to 20AP. Considering that USSR has helo and land based C cat ATGM with 20AP where the hardest target has only 15AV... In C categoy best red tanks have 13 front AV and BMPT has 14.

Except strange AP values I also do not understand why has low base ACC AND range for Milan and Konkurs-M.

Molni, once again Cat games are NOT the target here. If they were, no one would say "buff T-80!".
I would kill for reliable ATGMs as REDFOR (except on helos or the chinese crazy launcher).

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby another505 » Fri 8 May 2015 17:49

molnibalage wrote:
konkurs M and Milan 3 has 50 accuracy and they are in the 90s, while base tow in 70s has 50 percent too..

And was nerfed from 17AP (ALB) to 15AP which makes garbage even in C cat games. Only similar stone age ATGMs have less AP as Matyulka. iTOW was also nerfed from 22 to 20AP. Considering that USSR has helo and land based C cat ATGM with 20AP where the hardest target has only 15AV... In C categoy best red tanks have 13 front AV and BMPT has 14.

Except strange AP values I also do not understand why has low base ACC AND range for Milan and Konkurs-M.

and milan has 35 percent accuracy, you cant hit anything with that.
Milan 2 has 45 iirc, still crap and short range of 2450

konkurs has 45
matyulka and fagots are crap



I rather have an atgm that is able to hit than one is wasting missiles all day

sometimes molni, get a grip of reality
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