The most overbuffed, overpowered units

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby Virunis » Fri 8 May 2015 18:24

Want a reliable atgm for redfor? upvet them

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby stratmania » Fri 8 May 2015 19:24

Virunis wrote:Want a reliable atgm for redfor? upvet them

50% even when upvetted won't do much when there are rerolls going on.

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby molnibalage » Fri 8 May 2015 23:36

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konkurs M and Milan 3 has 50 accuracy and they are in the 90s, while base tow in 70s has 50 percent too..

And was nerfed from 17AP (ALB) to 15AP which makes garbage even in C cat games. Only similar stone age ATGMs have less AP as Matyulka. iTOW was also nerfed from 22 to 20AP. Considering that USSR has helo and land based C cat ATGM with 20AP where the hardest target has only 15AV... In C categoy best red tanks have 13 front AV and BMPT has 14.

Except strange AP values I also do not understand why has low base ACC AND range for Milan and Konkurs-M.

Molni, once again Cat games are NOT the target here. If they were, no one would say "buff T-80!".
I would kill for reliable ATGMs as REDFOR (except on helos or the chinese crazy launcher).


TOW is garbage in even Cat C. So can you guess how useful in Cat A? I have never seen any helo with TOW, and only a noob tired to use in tactical games spammable TOW paltforms.

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby EInarial » Sat 9 May 2015 03:09

read TOW as TOW and upgrades then. The TOW 2 is remarkably accurate and reliable compared to other wire-guided systems of a similar age, and outperforms many/most/all available redfor beam-riding/radio guided weapon systems, and is comparably accurate with the hellfire (!!)

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby another505 » Sat 9 May 2015 08:37

molnibalage wrote:
TOW is garbage in even Cat C. So can you guess how useful in Cat A? I have never seen any helo with TOW, and only a noob tired to use in tactical games spammable TOW paltforms.

Go use the damn Milan 1 with 35 percent accuracy! you want garbage, you never triedit before
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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby another505 » Sat 9 May 2015 08:38

EInarial wrote:read TOW as TOW and upgrades then. The TOW 2 is remarkably accurate and reliable compared to other wire-guided systems of a similar age, and outperforms many/most/all available redfor beam-riding/radio guided weapon systems, and is comparably accurate with the hellfire (!!)

being wire guided has inherent problems of getting tangled, flying over water
saclos laser/radio is much more reliable
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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby Xeno426 » Sat 9 May 2015 08:44

another505 wrote:
EInarial wrote:read TOW as TOW and upgrades then. The TOW 2 is remarkably accurate and reliable compared to other wire-guided systems of a similar age, and outperforms many/most/all available redfor beam-riding/radio guided weapon systems, and is comparably accurate with the hellfire (!!)

being wire guided has inherent problems of getting tangled, flying over water
saclos laser/radio is much more reliable

Wire guided has the reliability of being jammer proof, unlike radio-guided.
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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby another505 » Sat 9 May 2015 08:46

Xeno426 wrote:
another505 wrote:
EInarial wrote:read TOW as TOW and upgrades then. The TOW 2 is remarkably accurate and reliable compared to other wire-guided systems of a similar age, and outperforms many/most/all available redfor beam-riding/radio guided weapon systems, and is comparably accurate with the hellfire (!!)

being wire guided has inherent problems of getting tangled, flying over water
saclos laser/radio is much more reliable

Wire guided has the reliability of being jammer proof, unlike radio-guided.

Not implemented ingame :lol: (same as getting tangled)

but yea, just a question. How many laser warning receiver/jamming device were implemented in the 80s to the early 90s for tanks.
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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby brroleg » Sat 9 May 2015 09:41

USSR motorized basically has no tank. That t-55 with 40% acc and worst rpm ever are just waste of points and deck space.
USSR mechanized has no heli-aa at all. And heli AA is essential in RD

While Eurocorps motorized has all best toys in deck, except top tier tanks, which is useless in RD anyway cause of suicide agm planes.

You asking wat is most overpowered, but its easier to say what is most underpowered - ussr. Cause all other is overpowered compared to it.

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Re: The most overbuffed, overpowered units

Postby thenosh » Sat 9 May 2015 10:20

Xeno426 wrote:
another505 wrote:
EInarial wrote:read TOW as TOW and upgrades then. The TOW 2 is remarkably accurate and reliable compared to other wire-guided systems of a similar age, and outperforms many/most/all available redfor beam-riding/radio guided weapon systems, and is comparably accurate with the hellfire (!!)

being wire guided has inherent problems of getting tangled, flying over water
saclos laser/radio is much more reliable

Wire guided has the reliability of being jammer proof, unlike radio-guided.


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