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Community Petition:

Postby Pleb Squasher » Mon 25 May 2015 08:18

Alrighty so, I'm making this petition with the presumption that in future, Wargame will be patched again.

I've been asking around the community and have come to the conclusion that amongst the ranked community and players that have a proper understanding of the game, like to play it with a reasonable degree of seriousness, or as I said perhaps even play it competitively in ranked.

This is a petition to have WONSAN harbour either reworked or removed in an upcoming patch from the RANKED LINE UP.
So this petition is to have changes made ONLY to the ranked line up.

The issue is that the potential to get this map in ranked games just causes too many problems, makes certain decks completely useless and is not an appropriate map to play properly with Wargame's mechanics.
Personally, I'm scared to go into ranked without Spetznaz and large amounts of elite infantry, just because I know I'm going to be spamming them on Wonsan because it's simply too hard/impossible to win any other way.

Post your votes, +1 or -1, if you support or disagree respectively. It'd be best if you'd leave your reasoning for elsewhere, just because its easier for me to compile the results into a poll.

Additionally, if you're going to -1 this just because you think the map is fun to stuff around on, or even if you don't play ranked, please spare us the vote as this is about removing it from ranked, not the whole game. You can still have "fun" playing around on the map in normal games.

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Postby thenosh » Mon 25 May 2015 08:32

I play ranked myself, but I think if you start to take maps away from ranked, people will ask for others to be removed aswell, mostly due to their advantages for one side. Also, on Wonsan harbour, I saw both sides. Getting rekd as blufor by Li'jian/Spetznas. But also getting rekd as Red Dragons by a Blufor armored deck that just spewed tons and tons of cheap scandinavian infantry with Mg3 into the city. To me it's not the best ranked map, but yet not completely onesided.
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Postby Mako » Mon 25 May 2015 08:41

People play ranked?
If there's two kinds of players, those that like challenges and those that want a fair game, pubstomps should make everyone happy.

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Postby Narcissistic Black » Mon 25 May 2015 09:57

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Postby Pleb Squasher » Mon 25 May 2015 10:58

thenosh wrote:I play ranked myself, but I think if you start to take maps away from ranked, people will ask for others to be removed aswell, mostly due to their advantages for one side. Also, on Wonsan harbour, I saw both sides. Getting rekd as blufor by Li'jian/Spetznas. But also getting rekd as Red Dragons by a Blufor armored deck that just spewed tons and tons of cheap scandinavian infantry with Mg3 into the city. To me it's not the best ranked map, but yet not completely onesided.


Fine it's only 99% one sided...

Losing to armoured on Wonsan harbour says to be that the person was completely incompetent and therefore it doesn;t present a good basis for balance. MG3 isn't that much of a game changer, and certainly doesn't mean all decks with it are viable.

No other map has legitimate reason to be removed. Believe it or not, all decks are quite viable on other maps. Wonsan harbour doesn't just makes certain decks redundant, it gives mech decks stupidly huge advantages over other decks simply because of the insane amount of infantry and IFVs perfect for grinding away senselessly in that terribly designed map.

Honestly all the other maps have nothing on Wonsan. Some may be bad, but they don;t create issues like Wonsan.

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Postby thenosh » Mon 25 May 2015 11:47

Pleb Squasher wrote:
thenosh wrote:I play ranked myself, but I think if you start to take maps away from ranked, people will ask for others to be removed aswell, mostly due to their advantages for one side. Also, on Wonsan harbour, I saw both sides. Getting rekd as blufor by Li'jian/Spetznas. But also getting rekd as Red Dragons by a Blufor armored deck that just spewed tons and tons of cheap scandinavian infantry with Mg3 into the city. To me it's not the best ranked map, but yet not completely onesided.


Fine it's only 99% one sided...

Losing to armoured on Wonsan harbour says to be that the person was completely incompetent and therefore it doesn;t present a good basis for balance. MG3 isn't that much of a game changer, and certainly doesn't mean all decks with it are viable.

No other map has legitimate reason to be removed. Believe it or not, all decks are quite viable on other maps. Wonsan harbour doesn't just makes certain decks redundant, it gives mech decks stupidly huge advantages over other decks simply because of the insane amount of infantry and IFVs perfect for grinding away senselessly in that terribly designed map.

Honestly all the other maps have nothing on Wonsan. Some may be bad, but they don;t create issues like Wonsan.


Losing to armoured as Red Dragons doesn't say anything mate. If my enemy is able to literally spam three nations with good line infantry in 5pt Transports just is too much to take for an average Red Dragon deck. Li'jian'90 included.
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Postby chykka » Mon 25 May 2015 17:17

Well think of the 1v1 pool of map in Rd compared to the previous two wargames in the trilogy. There are only 5 and maps are restricted to only one recomended team size. Now alb wa different as there were bigger maps in the pool. None of them ladder breaking as conquests income doesn't change, now remove wonson and you went from 5 maps too 4. Do we want gameplay to become as redundant as possible? Wonson is the only map in ladder where I find armoured is more than a little fun :lol: .
So -1 from me, why limit?
Oh and mech decks aren't all that good at Wonson, all your elite infantry are in helicopters. To much work to get spetz in the middle.

Oh and I agree with your greviences like fjord it's not easy if someone ready for it. Played a lobby where he hosted Wonson he was east bloc. Nothing frustrates more than recon specialist infantry used like a line infantry . Be it gru, seals, or Formoza I had to deal with that and kommandosi. Had had time as I couldn't kill the formoza before he supplied so even though he only had 4 he kept me busy almost all game.
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Postby Airborneguy » Mon 25 May 2015 19:46

-1...who are you?

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Postby nande » Mon 25 May 2015 20:31

-1

rework, sure
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Re: Community Petition:

Postby jhfts » Mon 25 May 2015 21:10

-1. There are plenty of ways to play in Wonsan Harbor without SF - B-5 / F-111 heavy bombers, sappers, flamethrower tanks, AVRE, Artillery / mortars, etc.

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