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Postby Delta2Actual » Mon 17 Aug 2015 07:45

This is not a request for change (although that would be epic and I would be forever thankful) I just want to know what people think of the USAF having more aircraft. I personally want more F-16s in a ground suppression role like having an F-16 variant with Mk82s and Mk84s (I know other NATO nations have these I just want the nation that made the plane and munitions to have them) along with AGM-65s and AGM-78s for a SEAD role. Plus the russians and other nations get really old aircraft from the 50 and 60s eras so why can't the USAF have the F-105 with AGM-45s for SEAD and full load of Mk-82s or Mk-84s. I just wish the bomber role was more thoroughly filled out because of the lackluster F-111. Just my idea for a more rounded out USAF ground attack force please no flame war thanks for reading.

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Re: USAF

Postby Forimar » Mon 17 Aug 2015 08:02

The only role the USAF really seems to be hurting for is a medium bomber like the Su-24M, and that can be accomplished by giving the Aardvark more bombs or upgrading it to (a smaller amount) of 500kgs.

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Postby thenosh » Mon 17 Aug 2015 10:07

Delta2Actual wrote: Plus the russians and other nations get really old aircraft from the 50 and 60s eras so why can't the USAF have the F-105 with AGM-45s for SEAD and full load of Mk-82s or Mk-84s.


Do you really really want more really old aircraft from the 50s and 60s? Considering normally only CAT A games are being played?
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Re: USAF

Postby another505 » Mon 17 Aug 2015 12:26

Forimar wrote:The only role the USAF really seems to be hurting for is a medium bomber like the Su-24M, and that can be accomplished by giving the Aardvark more bombs or upgrading it to (a smaller amount) of 500kgs.

yea this, maybe a F16c with mraam, but honestly, just like mig29m, they are pretty useless in their cluster job anyways, so why bother
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Re: USAF

Postby KattiValk » Mon 17 Aug 2015 15:30

As if the USAF is going to be updated in this game.

another505 wrote:yea this, maybe a F16c with mraam, but honestly, just like mig29m, they are pretty useless in their cluster job anyways, so why bother
They may not be Su-27Ms or MLUs, but they're still very good cards.

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Postby orcbuster » Mon 17 Aug 2015 15:32

Thunderchief as a medium bomber would be glorious.
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Postby integ3r » Mon 17 Aug 2015 15:44

Yeah I don't see why the US F16 isn't just a clone of the Mig29M. And instead we got F16 Block 52. *shrug*
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Re: USAF

Postby another505 » Mon 17 Aug 2015 16:00

kiheerSEDMAN wrote:As if the USAF is going to be updated in this game.

another505 wrote:yea this, maybe a F16c with mraam, but honestly, just like mig29m, they are pretty useless in their cluster job anyways, so why bother
They may not be Su-27Ms or MLUs, but they're still very good cards.



Not really, you dont see mig29m a lot because they are just mediocre, they dont do CAP well enough, nor their anti tank capability is sufficient

They arent good cards when you have options
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Postby DeckCheney » Mon 17 Aug 2015 17:14

I still don't understand why the USAF needs 3 terrible Cluster Bombers and 3 terrible Iron Bombers + 2 Nuke Bombers.

Some standardisation is in order.
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Re: USAF

Postby DeckCheney » Mon 17 Aug 2015 17:25

kiheerSEDMAN wrote:They may not be Su-27Ms or MLUs, but MiG-29's are still very good cards.


MiG-29M is an irrelevant card. The cluster bombs are currently broken and don't drop at their proper range- compared to other similar 4xCLUS load out planes- they only drop right on top the target. It's not worth risking a 145pt plane that close to the enemy's frontline with the low damage output of clusterbombs.

I'm also not too sure if the medium stealth actually works- plane seems to have identical detection range other non-SEAD platforms.

The platform suffers from a one step veterancy hit that reduces it's accuracy compared to designated ASFs. (I've rarely lost a plane to a MiG-29M or kill one with it because it's R-77s always seem to miss any target with more rhan 20% ECM). The reduction in optics also mitigates the role of the MiG-29M as a frontline ASF, and more so fire/missile support plane.

There's really no sense in ever taking the MiG-29's when you can get the YAK-141 (The best F&F value interceptor), or the Su-27ss (For the extra ASF needed in Airborne decks). Both of which have SRAAMs that allow you to properly duel enemy ASFs.
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