another505 wrote:It proves nothing other than the Operational theater is a bunch of middle east nation since CW has ended. USSR is no longer there, no need to develop any new AA.
What "a lot of " nation actually really needs the Stinger to threaten rocket helo? All of them have units already to do so. None of them have problems to deal with helo.
DAPS with 8 HP and stinger range buff to 2625(same as ty90) , even at 90pts is insanely good. You know the only reason why Ty90 beats DAPS is because it can one shot it, right? You defectively turn into the 2nd Ty90 with just less missiles, more speed, medium optics, higher HP and some anti ground ability that is not bad when they are done after the opening, so they can defend the flanks.
the eyeball doesnt, but your eyeball better see a damn plane/helo flying across the horizon at 8km through the smokes and clouds in the first place. Heck, i hope your eyes can even identify if its foe or friendly at that range....
again, i dont see a reason to buff when no one needs it to be better, and it affects soooo much units, and now we are getting israel that also has stinger C in its AA and a2a helo cobra. Unless we are getting a manpad change like the IFV patch
Precisely why the ADATS was discontinued. The fixed wing threat is basically non-existent as no other country or coalition could feasibly challenge US air superiority directly and no country with an ADN strong enough to shoot it down is planning on fighting the US. That does not mean things like Hinds or Hips are not expected to be a threat, and the Stinger is currently laughably incapable of seriously deterring them. The US did not go into Desert Storm expecting ground forces to go, "well shit" if there wasn't a Chaparral nearby and a Hind taking pot shots at them from across the Iraqi desert. The rule of thumb for Stinger teams is if the helicopter can shoot you, you can shoot it, and you can shoot much
sooner if the enemy doesn't have long range missiles. This massive gap in the US ADN is unrealistic and dumb.
They may not need
it, but it would help out countries that could use a MANPAD with decent range (Germany for instance, yes it's in EC, but they themselves would appreciate a 2625m Stinger).
You seem to be implying they'd be better than TY-90s...and more expensive...maybe even with less per card. You know what that sounds like? Not as cost effective as the TY-90. I don't really see what you're complaining about. It essentially brings the bane of USSR helo play closer to their level in price so it is now less useful to blindly suicide them into Ka-52s.
You say this like integrated air defense doesn't exist. One of the Avenger's big capabilities not really modeled (or necessary) in-game is slew to cue which basically negates this concern. As for Stinger teams, spotting aircraft from only a few miles away isn't that hard to do with binoculars and training, especially as the current ranges are a lot less than advertised.
You say this like that's an end all be all reason. By this logic, we should never touch the Vz. 58 because NSWP doesn't need any more good infantry.
Seriously, if you're this terrified of an effective Stinger A2A platform, the Tigre must terrify you to no end.