US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby codextero » Thu 6 Oct 2016 07:23

All these extreme armor values are unwarranted. 7 AV is T-55, and none of the bradleys were close to being as well armored as even naked T-55.

The BMPs and PB 302 just need to have theirs removed.

BMP-1 and 2 back to 2 FAV for just being .50 resistant. The D versions with additional armor get 3 FAV.

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Postby wargamer1985 » Thu 6 Oct 2016 07:35

codextero wrote:All these extreme armor values are unwarranted. 7 AV is T-55, and none of the bradleys were close to being as well armored as even naked T-55.

The BMPs and PB 302 just need to have theirs removed.

BMP-1 and 2 back to 2 FAV for just being .50 resistant. The D versions with additional armor get 3 FAV.

The BMP-2D didn't add any frontal armor though, only extra protection to the side when it was discovered that close range 12.7mm rounds could penetrate the side armor of earlier BMPs.
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Postby Bullfrog » Thu 6 Oct 2016 07:36

Kasrkin229 wrote: But Authenticity is only a factor when it's convenient for Eugen.


It's been suspended disbelief since RD launched for me. We're basically playing the BF1 of RTS games.. take it or leave it.

I can only hope for cool stuff, and not gimmicky Michael Bay cool. I guess like a Clint Eastwood cool? i dunno.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby QUAD » Thu 6 Oct 2016 08:18

I won't doom prophet, Red Dragons and USA (lesser extent) are all shafted but that's more Eugen not knowing what to do/not playing the game enough/doing things seemingly randomly. I think that the Dragons and US are going to be getting many stat changes and re-rolls in the future.

@codextro-imho durable IFVs are very good for gameplay, and "flavor" and "realism" wise it makes zero sense for Soviet IFV to have superior protection to equivalent US IFV. give M2 and M2A1 5 fav, give M2 medium and M2A1/A3 good optics.

IMO a Bushmaster buff would be nice in lieu of good optics but again, flavor. I like the concept of modeling Bradley's advanced electronics and FCS, and buffed Bushmasters would invalidate other IFVs due to this hypothetically Bradley re-work including armor buffs.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby Killertomato » Thu 6 Oct 2016 08:25

hansbroger wrote:They missed the M1IP changes and M60A2 still has Shillelagh-A... Some things never seem to change


The more you ask, the more sense it makes, the less they care.

An M60A1 with ERA on it shoots better than an M1.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby Yakhont » Thu 6 Oct 2016 10:11

The IFV and APC increase in armour values have become too close to MBT values.

The intention of increasing armour granularity at this level was good but the spread of values are too tight with out raising the floor for low end MBTS and everything else upward.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby HrcAk47 » Thu 6 Oct 2016 10:23

QUAD wrote:I won't doom prophet, Red Dragons and USA (lesser extent) are all shafted but that's more Eugen not knowing what to do/not playing the game enough/doing things seemingly randomly. I think that the Dragons and US are going to be getting many stat changes and re-rolls in the future.

@codextro-imho durable IFVs are very good for gameplay, and "flavor" and "realism" wise it makes zero sense for Soviet IFV to have superior protection to equivalent US IFV. give M2 and M2A1 5 fav, give M2 medium and M2A1/A3 good optics.

IMO a Bushmaster buff would be nice in lieu of good optics but again, flavor. I like the concept of modeling Bradley's advanced electronics and FCS, and buffed Bushmasters would invalidate other IFVs due to this hypothetically Bradley re-work including armor buffs.



How does a 25 mm aluminium slab deserve 5 FAV?

What are "advanced electronics"? Details on the FCS?

Can you bear the fact that Bradley of the period was F-35 of the day - an expensive and useless stillborn only saved by the fact it no longer had to fight anything capable.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby Xeno426 » Thu 6 Oct 2016 10:27

HrcAk47 wrote:Can you bear the fact that Bradley of the period was F-35 of the day - an expensive and useless stillborn only saved by the fact it no longer had to fight anything capable.

Tell me more about how the F-35 sucks. I'll be here all day.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby orcbuster » Thu 6 Oct 2016 10:38

M2 and m2A1 were much less protected than M2A2 which added steel plate into the frame construction (and also 7 tonnes)
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby QUAD » Thu 6 Oct 2016 10:51

orcbuster wrote:M2 and m2A1 were much less protected than M2A2 which added steel plate into the frame construction (and also 7 tonnes)


the general design of the vehicle though emphasized crew safety, unlike BMP where any penetrating hit had a high chance of hitting the ammo and causing everything to explode. imo for a transport vehicle 4 fav is justified for m2 and m2a1 speaking of general realism with regard to game
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