US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby QUAD » Sat 8 Oct 2016 20:09

us infantry tab is m2a2, SMAW, marine basically.

in NORAD Moto delta/LR 90 can be good.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby codextero » Sat 8 Oct 2016 21:26

Anyhow, if anyone wants to talk about the main topic, my top 5 for the US are.

- Buff Bushmaster to a 2A72 equivalent. Lower ROF in exchange for better accuracy and stabs is fine, but it should not be that low. My suggestion is to change the "shot interval" from 2 seconds to 1.2 seconds, and burst reload from 2.4 seconds to 2 seconds. This buffs shots/minute from 27 to 37.5. Higher than RARDEN and RH503 but lower than everything else. This allows late Bushmaster to equal KBA at max range, but will get progressively worse as the range closes.

- Revert the buff to M60A1 ERA, revert the buff to M1 and M1 IP accuracy, then give 2275 range and medium optics to both. Add 5 points.

- Revert medium optics nerf for M2 and M2A1

- Give Super Dragon 1 or 2 more AP, to 16/17.

- Re-roles to remove extremely redundant and frankly awful picks in the air tab, as well as add up to date weapons. F-111E is basically useless as a bomber with it's poor payload. F-16A and F-16C are highly redundant and both bad. F-18A is worthless when F-18C exists. The US doesn't have a single AGM-65D or G, despite making those weapons. Xeno has a list of the stuff he wants to see.

Next 5 "good to haves"

- The AMRAAMing. Give AMRAAM to a number of current multi-roles that have AIM-9. Best candidates are F-16C, F-18A/C, F-15D(E).

- The LGBing. Give the newly nerfed LGBs to a number of current planes. Best candidates are F-111F and F-15D

- M1A1 get the same 20 AP as M1A1 HA for +5 points

- Buff Chaparral A3 availability to be better than 0/4/3/0/0. Tan sam now has the same missile but is 0/6/4/0/0, the same availability for Chaparral would be great.

- Some kind of change to make NORAD less awful at forest fighting. Maybe revert one or two of the 4 buffs the NORAD units got last patch.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby Xeno426 » Sat 8 Oct 2016 21:50

codextero wrote:- The AMRAAMing. Give AMRAAM to a number of current multi-roles that have AIM-9. Best candidates are F-16C, F-18A/C, F-15D(E).

Problem with the F/A-18 is that the wingtips couldn't carry anything besides AIM-9s, and the F/A-18 would never fly into combat without AIM-9s on the tips. Then you run into the three weapon limit. :(
The F-16C, even with AIM-120s, would not be worth taking because the primary job (dropping clusters) is still done better by the F-111. They need total rerolls. Personally, I'd rather see Mk-84s on the A, AGM-65Gs on the C, and CBU-87s on the F-15E (don't worry, that E is coming...).
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby codextero » Sat 8 Oct 2016 21:54

Xeno426 wrote:
codextero wrote:- The AMRAAMing. Give AMRAAM to a number of current multi-roles that have AIM-9. Best candidates are F-16C, F-18A/C, F-15D(E).

Problem with the F/A-18 is that the wingtips couldn't carry anything besides AIM-9s, and the F/A-18 would never fly into combat without AIM-9s on the tips. Then you run into the three weapon limit. :(
The F-16C, even with AIM-120s, would not be worth taking because the primary job (dropping clusters) is still done better by the F-111. They need total rerolls. Personally, I'd rather see Mk-84s on the A, AGM-65Gs on the C, and CBU-87s on the F-15E (don't worry, that E is coming...).


Forgot to add "change the payloads too" to them.

The US doesn't have a single AIM-65D or G platform, which is kinda sad to say the least.

I'd like to the see the F-18C re-roled into the marine ASF, probably sharing a loadout with the hypothetical Finnish F-18 ASF. The F-18A can pick up the x4 AGM-65 role, which would nerf the USA's point and click tank removal power, not necessarily a bad thing.

That frees up the block 52 to be a MRAAM multirole with newer weapons that the F-16A and C aren't dated for.

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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby wargamer1985 » Sat 8 Oct 2016 21:57

codextero wrote:Anyhow, if anyone wants to talk about the main topic, my top 5 for the US are.

- Buff Bushmaster to a 2A72 equivalent. Lower ROF in exchange for better accuracy and stabs is fine, but it should not be that low. My suggestion is to change the "shot interval" from 2 seconds to 1.2 seconds, and burst reload from 2.4 seconds to 2 seconds. This buffs shots/minute from 27 to 37.5. Higher than RARDEN and RH503 but lower than everything else. This allows late Bushmaster to equal KBA at max range, but will get progressively worse as the range closes.

- Revert the buff to M60A1 ERA, revert the buff to M1 and M1 IP accuracy, then give 2275 range and medium optics to both. Add 5 points.

- Revert medium optics nerf for M2 and M2A1

- Give Super Dragon 1 or 2 more AP, to 16/17.

- Add more resilience to air tab bombers. F-15D is too brittle at 1/card, F-117 is near suicidal at 1/card 0% ECM, F-111 is resilience but carries basically nothing.

Next 5 "good to haves"

- The AMRAAMing. Give AMRAAM to a number of current multi-roles that have AIM-9. Best candidates are F-16C, F-18A/C, F-15D(E).

- The LGBing. Give the newly nerfed LGBs to a number of current planes. Best candidates are F-111F and F-15D

- M1A1 get the same 20 AP as M1A1 HA for +5 points

- Buff Chaparral A3 availability to be better than 0/4/3/0/0. Tan sam now has the same missile but is 0/6/4/0/0, the same availability for Chaparral would be great.

- Some kind of change to make NORAD less awful at forest fighting. Maybe revert one or two of the 4 buffs the NORAD units got last patch.

A few modifications for my own opinions on the "Top 5 important buffs for the US" list...
- Lengthen the Bushmaster's burst significantly, as it could maintain automatic fire far longer than a comparable autocannon like the 2A72 as a result of its lower rate of fire. Decreasing the time between reloads is also a must.
- M60A1 ERA buffs should be removed and shifted to the M1IP and Super M60 respectively (M60A1 ERA gun stats for the Super, and 2275m range for the M1IP, with both going up 5 points).
- 16 AP for the LR '90 is a must, even then they could stay at 20 points and would hardly be overpowered.
- Better Marines, they should either go down to 25 points or have the AT-4 replaced with a SMAW. Both would be welcome, but as of now Marine '90s are severely cost-ineffective, and their '75 counterparts even more so ('75 should go down to 20 points to be honest, same with Soviet Marines).
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby QUAD » Sat 8 Oct 2016 23:46

imo the Apache and Longbow should swap roles (16 Hellfire Apache, Longbow with 8 + FFAR)

Rifles 90 as a rough Fusilier 90 equivalent with M60E3 and a Bradley with medium optics and a buffed Bushmaster would be good too. Not sure how to buff Bushmaster, but it shouldn't be the worst autocannon ingame.

Marine 90 that get either M16A2 with +10 accuracy or 30 kph

Air tab; give the F16s HE, rocket pods, AGMs, anything. AIM-120s for bonus points. 50 ECM F15E for even more bonus points.

Also: remove Patriot and give to Japan or Germany, give ATACMS an HE loadout.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby Fade2Gray » Sat 8 Oct 2016 23:59

codextero wrote:- Revert the buff to M60A1 ERA, revert the buff to M1 and M1 IP accuracy, then give 2275 range and medium optics to both. Add 5 points.

- The LGBing. Give the newly nerfed LGBs to a number of current planes. Best candidates are F-111F and F-15D


At least one M60 deserves to be usable. Screw M1 buffs because muh K1.

Deagle is fine, a F-111 becoming a LGB hauler would be nice though.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby codextero » Sun 9 Oct 2016 00:10

Fade2Gray wrote:At least one M60 deserves to be usable. Screw M1 buffs because muh K1.


Sure, Super M60, it's not even bad right now and perfectly usable at 60 points. It will crap all over T-72A and Leopard AS1+ if it gets within range.

M60A3 just needs to be cheaper, and M60A1 ERA can get +1 AP to represent M833.

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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby Fade2Gray » Sun 9 Oct 2016 00:15

codextero wrote:
Fade2Gray wrote:At least one M60 deserves to be usable. Screw M1 buffs because muh K1.


Sure, Super M60, it's not even bad right now and perfectly usable at 60 points. It will crap all over T-72A and Leopard AS1+ if it gets within range.

M60A3 just needs to be cheaper, and M60A1 ERA can get +1 AP to represent M833.


Hrmmmm, fair enough, but I guess what I wanted to say is that one should be at the Leo1A5 standard.
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Re: US Changes: The Compiled and Proposed

Postby Xeno426 » Sun 9 Oct 2016 00:27

Fade2Gray wrote:Deagle is fine, a F-111 becoming a LGB hauler would be nice though.

For me, a nice limited-scope change would be as follows:

F-16A -> 4xMk-84, 2xAIM-9L
F-16C -> 2xAGM-65G, 2xAIM-9M
F-15E -> 12xCBU-87, 4xAIM-120
F-111F -> 4xGBU-24A/B

The F/A-18A could be changed to carry a number of different air-to-ground ordinance; clusters are particularly lacking for Marines right now.
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