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Re: US Change List

Postby molnibalage » Wed 23 Sep 2015 09:31

kiheerSEDMAN wrote:GENERAL
    Possible:

    Not Likely:
  • Stinger range buff and accuracy nerf.
    • A: 2450m This should be the good, I have no idea why has Stinger lower range than Igla. They are literally twins...
    • C: 2625m Bad idea, Mistral has this range which is 100% justified by larger kinematic range becase the missile is also larger. In fact it is so large that Mistral is not a true MANPAD because can be used only from deplyed launcher not from shoulder...
  • Significant M134 buff (this is not what the Vulcan uses, and this is my own suggestion).

    Practically Impossible:
  • LOSAT

LOGISTICS
    Possible:
  • LAV CV price buff.
  • M114 price buff.
  • M577 price buff.
    ^all my own suggestions
  • Buff supply helicopter pricing. There is a whole separated thread about total fuel/card and CP/fuel imbalance. Have you checked it?

    Not Likely:
  • LAV supply unit.

    Practically Impossible:

INFANTRY
    Possible:
  • Buff M60 (and its variants). Not capability buff but price reduction is may needed.
  • Fix Sea Knight availability.
  • Give Deltas '75 the CG on their backs.?
  • Make Assault Engineers actually useful. How Buff to 4HE or make it shockor increase 10 man size?
  • Give the M2A2 3 cards (possibly open for transport for Stinger (historical BSFV) and other units). Why you would need 3 cards...? I agree with Stinger on it if is not OOTF.

    Not Likely:
  • Give Riflemen '90 the M249.
  • Give Marines '90 the SMAW. 100% agree only problem who woulde ever use after this SMAW AT sq.?
  • Give Delta the Stoner 63.
  • Add Rangers '90 (M16/4, CG M3, M249) (Elite?).
  • Add Deltas '90 (M16/4, AT4, M249).
    *M4 would act as carbine (CQC bonus).

    Practically Impossible:

SUPPORT
    Possible:
  • Paladin price/ROF/armor buff (not all at once obviously). Why should get armor or RoF buff? In RL its RoF is inferior comparing to next gen. SP arty. Lower cost would be better.
  • Avenger price buff (would not apply if Stingers are buffed).
  • Chaparral accuracy buff. And maybe avail. In case Cortale can have 0/6/4/0/0 I cannot see anything why should not have the same the best or all Chappy...

    Not Likely:
  • Chap and HAWK platform gets buffed to 10HP. I would be happy but I'm afraid cannot be justfied.
  • Remove Patriot. I rather use it existing slot to another goal. For ex. adding M270 HE variant.
  • Remove ATACMS. Nope. This is one of the glory unit why is worth to play US.
  • Add cluster MLRS. Carbon copy of MARS rather ATCAMS? Considering top armor of USSR tanks 6 AP MARS sadly is simply weak.

    Practically Impossible:
  • BRADATS (and massive ADATS buff and supply nerf).
  • LAV-AD.

TANK
    Possible:
  • Buff M60 line (please suggest changes).
    • M60A3: Accuracy: 55% > 60% (it was using the M1 Abrams FCS after all), AP: 13 > 16 and move up the intro date to 1984 (this means the M60A3 would be using the M833 APFSDS round) range: 2100m >2275m (It had one of the worlds most advanced FCS during its time, but the same buff should apply to the Abrams among many other tanks) As I can remember Super M60 is similar to M60 what you wish turn the M60A3.
  • Buff M1IP to have K1 stats + medium optics. I agree, but in case +5CP cost
  • Buff Sheridan, Starship, and MBT-70 HE to 5 or 6 and increase Shillelagh accuracy. I agree with HE buff but base ACC of ATGM should not be higher than 50%.
  • Nerf M8 AGS price by 5 points.

    Not Likely:
  • Buff HA to HC stats.
  • Buff HC to have A2 armor. Is this based on RL features?

    Practically Impossible:

RECON
    Possible:
  • Buff Cav Scouts (price?).
  • Nerf M3A2 price (5 or 10 points). Why?
  • Sheridan changes apply here.
  • Nerf Longbow back to 1 shot per volley. <this is a very hotly contested topic Why? I very rarely use it but I love te double launch because I can be sure that even best taks can be killed before SHORAD, or anyting arrives. Dose this mean sometimes wasting ammo? Yes. I do not care. Longbow is designed against such targets where double AGM-114 is desired. Against lower tier tanks you have TOW2 capable helo or Seahawk or AH-64A.

    Not Likely:
  • Swap Delta and SEAL roles.
  • Add/reroll a Delta sniper team (MP5, PSG-1). <call Team Rainbow for bonus points
    Yes, it is insane that a superpower does not have sniper recon while minors on blue side, and on red side many nations + USSR have.
  • Reroll M134 and Mk 19 Humvees as transports.

    Practically Impossible:
  • Sniper team.
  • Shock Marine recon.
  • Add M2 SLAP Humvee recon/transport.

VEHICLE
    Possible:

    Not Likely:
  • Bradley's get up to date TOW missiles (TOW 2A added). Stats?
  • Bushmaster is buffed. To where? It is even currently is strong.
  • M113 TOW carrier gets TOW 2B. Which one? Stats?
  • Humvees buffed to 10HP, 1 front AV, and 110 speed. Or simply lower the current price. 10HP cannot be justified (same HP at trucks...? :roll: ) mayeb only the 1 font AV.
  • LAV-25 becomes transport (at least for SMAW).

    Practically Impossible:

HELICOPTER
    Possible:
  • Buff landing speeds for large helicopters. Why only for USA?
  • Buff all twin engined Cobra HP. Would be strange to have same HP as AH-64...
  • Increase chin gun ranges (universal change). If you do this all similar gun on ever helo in the game should get this...
  • Nerf DAP price (5-10 points).Why?

    Not Likely:
  • Buff Vulcan's ability to engage armored Hinds (this is my own suggestion, and TBH I really don't think Cobras perform very well vs Hinds anymore).
  • Buff lower tier Cobra prices.
  • Buff M230 HE.

    Practically Impossible:
  • Make the Blackhawk guns fire independent of craft position (S-70 already does this).

AIRCRAFT
    Possible:
  • F-14 into air tab. Armament? Era? Avail?
  • F-16 ECM buffs (A>30% C>40%). I 100% agree but loadout change is also neccessary.
  • Turn rate buffs all around. This should not be done concering US, literally the whole air tab should be reworked...
    • F-15: 325 In RL difference is so marginal that in ASF config both should have 300
    • F-16: 300
    • F-18: 300-325 Flight performance of Hornet is inferior comparing to F-15/16 so in ASF 350 should be set. The Ps in all ranges simply weaker.
  • Fixing the fuel "bug". Same case as turn rates. The whole air tab should be reworked not on US. US made jets suffered from the same neagative bias for all other nations. Some US and non US have simply totally idiotic and low TOT values such as Su-24/F111.
  • Buff F-15A veterancy or just the Sparrow.Only AIM-7 on F-15 is simply a dumb requset. F-15A simply should get the same avail (along with all SARH fighers) as other well set ASF. 0/3/0/0/2.Also the naming and base ACC of AIM-7F/M should be done.
    AIM-7F C cat AAM, 50% base ACC, AIM-7M B cat 60% base ACC.

      Give AIM-7F M stats, give Eagle the F, buff M to match other top tier SA MRAAMs.

    Not Likely:
  • Reroll F-111F into LGB platform (ECM upgrade too). Nope, it should be cat C LGB platfrom with 20% ECM.
  • Reroll F-16C into MLU copy. AIM-120 is good idea but strike weapon loadout can be argued.
  • Reroll F-18A as bomber. In case F-14A would be in AIR tab with AIM-7M + AIM-9M,B cat.
  • Add F-16CJ as SK Block 50/2 copy. <replaces Raven Nope, US needs both type of ASF. You have enough SEAD jet to select what you need.
  • Give F-15D 50% ECM and AMRAAMs or 2 per card. First of all it should be called F-15E,4xAIM120 is viable. It would be similar mutirole to Su-27M but with different strike weapon. 2/card avail would mean strong US bias..
  • Add A-10 LAST. ??? Some kind of A cat A-10? Which current unit should be turned to this? Many times have been sain no new units. So I recommend to think only reroll/recycle any existing unit "slot".
  • Reroll Super Hornet as top tier Marine ASF (Vulcan, x6 AIM-120As, x6 AIM-9Rs (65% accuracy AIM-9Ms). I could live with this.
  • Give F-15C newer AMRAAM (65% accuracy).And what would use the base AIM-120A?
  • Make all AIM-9s 5HE.I 100% agree but in this case all R-60 should get 4HE.

    Practically Impossible:
  • Add F-22. Yes, it is impossible but considering what OOTF were given to other nations...

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Re: US Change List

Postby molnibalage » Wed 23 Sep 2015 09:51

wargamer1985 wrote:
1. Stinger A/C Range buff
R: I think the Stinger A and C could both use a range buff. As Iris and plenty of sources have proven that the Stinger actually had a longer range then the Mistral. So I would propose the following: Pls. show me these sources... Mistral is in service in HUN...
4. Remove Patriot and ATACMS Pls. think insteb removing rerolling. Patriot slot can be used M270 HE and ATCAMS can be reroll as MARS copy but I rather keep ATCAMS just pls give it 2x1 rocket slot to make less micro intensive and stop wasting two rocket on the same spot.
10. Nerf Longbow to one volley
R: Eh, I am kind of on a limb here, the Longbow is currently a very niche unit, being very vulnerable but powerful and I think this Nerf would push it over the edge into the category where no one ever sees it again. If this Nerf must go through I think the Longbow would deserve a availability buff. Why would it? Why should have higher avail than Ka-52? In case you have lost two AH-64D a third won't help you...
11. Bradley gets correct missiles
R: I really think just giving the M2A1 the BGM-71D (TOW-2) would suffice, as the TOW-2A would only really give a +1 AP, and is more work than it is really worth. Yes, against top tier tanks would mean that +1AP a lot.
15. Turn rate buffs
R: Something along the lines of:
F-15: 325
F-16: 300
F-18: 300-325
16. F-15A Buff
R: I do agree the F-15A should get a vet buff (2 Elite) however, it should also get the AIM-7F, not the AIM-7M (but the AIM-7F should really have the current AIM-7M stats and the AIM-7M should get 7700m range and 60% accuracy) In fact both AIM-7F/M should get 7700m and R-27R should be nerfed. In RL kinematics of R-27R is simply inferior. Period. I have explained with RL data many times why. Worse specific impulse, 25% larger cross section no dual thrust rocket engine. The rest of changes as I have mentioned should be treated globally in AIR thread, turn rates and avail + fuel/TOT.
19. A-10 LAST
R: The LAST should replace the A-10A and it should simply be a A-10A with 30% ECM, a 50-60% accuracy GAU-8 (:twisted:) and AGM-65Ds (50% accuracy and 26 AP) and a price of 160 (the SU-25T needs a buff as well though) Pls. no. Are people who play are games and killing the best C cat AGM platfrom is insane idea. Both A-4 are C cat as I can remember. Reroll one of them and better A-10 and everybody will be happy. Who ever used the only 4xMk-82 capable crap jet...? Nobod? Even the rocket platfrom is garbage because AD is toally diferent now as was in ALB and rocket planes are much more expensive.
20. Make the F/A-18E into a Marine ASF
Yes. But somehow everybody forget about crap F-4J. It should be renamed to F-4N and give it to C cat AAMs. 3xAIM-7F + 4xAIM-9L 20% ECM. F-4J currently is the weakes ASF and does not have even the 0/3/0/0/2 avail...

Those are my thought, and even though many things won't happen its just a brain-storming list

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Re: US Change List

Postby Bullfrog » Wed 23 Sep 2015 10:01

A-4F is a good plane, look beyond it's stat card.
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Re: US Change List

Postby KattiValk » Wed 23 Sep 2015 10:06

Something many people don't know about the auto cannons is their real ROFs (though most of us at least probably have heard how they work). Here is a list for some RD cannons given to me by Cola (I don't know if they're 100% accurate).
AUTOCANNONS.
75 RPM FOR THE 2A42.
50 FOR THE 2A72.
100 FOR THE RH202.
60 FOR THE NS-23 (CZECH)
75 FOR THE VK-30 (CZECH)
AND....
27.3 FOR THE BUSHMASTER...
^he types in all caps

Such a piss real ROF is pretty poor.

thenosh wrote:Take away Patriot and ATACMS? Someone bring this man a beer!
Yet, I'd suggest reducing it on the ATACMS. Both would be a bit harsh.
The first is a total miss on what the US should be good at, which is the ASF game, not long ranged AA. The ATACMS is just bad for gameplay, there's no real way to make it different unless you want to give it realistic spread ("I feel like this sector doesn't need IFVs or AA anymore", click, boom) or something. This also stems from the issue of clusters doing absolutely nothing to infantry.

Delta2Actual wrote:I wish for a supply Huey like a flying M35 just 500 or 750 supply and decent availability to supplement the slow to land and low availability Chinooks
I've never really seen that suggested before. Seems like a wasted unit TBH.

smyljr wrote:oh yeah, humvee mk19 or lvpt7a1 in armoured. and a 2 per card bomber with more he than 10 or napalm. like if that a6 had 4 15 he bombs.
How would Armored get an LVTP?

[EUG]MadMat wrote:"Slim" is the key word here.
We've promised maps, and we will deliver them.
Balance changes are not to be expected, and if we can include some we will, but nothing like "Let's rehaul the US Army" ...

I'd rather crush dreams right now than have people expecting something we can't deliver at the moment.
That's precisely what I expected to hear. Anything is better than nothing, and even just one or two of these changes would be greatly appreciated.

molnibalage wrote:-snip-
-FYI, later Stinger models actually have some pretty impressive reach. The C should technically match the RBS 70's range.
-the supply helo suggestion is from that thread.
-how do you reduce the price of something that is only worth 5 points?
-The 3 cards of Bradley is just for consistency. BSFV is very much ITF and very much a real thing. In fact, the M6 Linebacker is a direct product of that and ADATS.
-SMAWs would have higher ROF and also are cheaper plus have small HE capability.
-IIRC there was something about increased armor somewhere on the forum for the Paladin.
-HP values don't make much sense in this game to begin with.
-Apparently we never used HE MLRS, which wouldn't be an issue if clusters hurt infantry.
-ATACMS should be removed even for just that one reason.
-I honestly don't know how else to reroll the ATACMS though.
-And the Super could become more appealing in other areas, not that;d I know what those would be.
-The HC Abrams had comparable protection to the A2 as noted by wargamer.
-M3A2 is underpriced for its stealth and also kind of negates the M113 TOW vehicle's existence.
-I'd like my attack helicopter recon to have more use than attempting to snipe the BU with its own private Tunguska leashed to it at all times, but that's just me.
-TOW 2A would have +1 AP.
-see above for Bushmaster.
-The M113 TOW carrier that has TOW 2 now?
-I'd think something like 7HP would be interesting, but 10 is the more popular number for Humvee HP.
-Those helicopter buffs apply to other nations as well.
-Cobras aren't that unsurvivable.
-I don't know what loadout it could use, but it would be best off as an interceptor as long as the MiG-31s are around.
-US is just one of the worst hit by weird stats in air tab.
-Take all those plane suggestions with a grain of salt as they aren;t meant to all be added at once.

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Re: US Change List

Postby Miskyavine » Wed 23 Sep 2015 11:22

Hell the only things that really should change are the
Patriot and ATACMS god bye

M270 with the Clusters
Paladin gets buffed kind of shitty for the price being the most advanced tube arty ingame (the only one with internet GPS and almost instant counterbattery capabilities.)

the part about the M1A1HA and HC both in need of these changes
Riflemen 90 M249 and USMC90 SMAW both of wich are perfectly intime frame and would both still only make them 85s USMC 85 and Riflemen 85

F15D getting 50 ECM and 2 per card would be sweet.

Maybe if the Patriot gets removed BukM1 and other Highest tier Sam for redfor (forgot its name) could get 1-2 incremant range buffs then buff American planes to be as badass as they should be as a whole A2A F/A18E with AIM-120B/C both intimeframe for prototype.
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Re: US Change List

Postby molnibalage » Wed 23 Sep 2015 11:48

-FYI, later Stinger models actually have some pretty impressive reach. The C should technically match the RBS 70's range.

Give me sources about this. Nothing supports kinematics of Stinger reaches Mistral or RBS 70 based on missile size. Simply the max. eng alt. shows tha eng. range of Mistral and RBS70 is larger what any Stinger knows. Or did I miss something? C Stinger got new rocket engine with better specific impulse or simply more rocket fuel or the drag reduced strongly somehow?

-The 3 cards of Bradley is just for consistency. BSFV is very much ITF and very much a real thing. In fact, the M6 Linebacker is a direct product of that and ADATS.

Consistency? Does USSR has three cards from best IFV? I cannot recall this. I think here about BMP-2 O.1986 and BMP-3.

-SMAWs would have higher ROF and also are cheaper plus have small HE capability.

Whatever. I tried AT sq. and except open field their 2HE is meaningless is city fights especially because min range issue.

-IIRC there was something about increased armor somewhere on the forum for the Paladin.

Whatever but never will close to Msta. Capability of Paladin is not so bad I simply feel over priced. 120 CP would be good.

-Apparently we never used HE MLRS, which wouldn't be an issue if clusters hurt infantry.

Cluster never will hurt inf. because of gameplay reasons. It would make f***** OP what even today is still OP. One of the main reson why I do not play anymore or very, very rarely with USA the lack of M270 HE... You simply do not have any area supression tool while even the worst minors have at least Grad or something else...

-ATACMS should be removed even for just that one reason.

So you would nerf USA and would give nothing for exchange...?

-I honestly don't know how else to reroll the ATACMS though.

M270 11HE, as was in ALB one of the best unit.

-And the Super could become more appealing in other areas, not that;d I know what those would be.

Capability of M60s are not so bad they are simply over prievd. Super M60 is proto so it should have exceptionally good price/capability ratio. This should be one of the reson of proto in case they do not provide any good absolute power...

-The HC Abrams had comparable protection to the A2 as noted by wargamer.

Fine, make it 22 AV. I can live with it.

-M3A2 is underpriced for its stealth and also kind of negates the M113 TOW vehicle's existence.

Not the M3A2 is cheap, the ATGM platfroms in VHC tab have abusrd high price. This is true for almost all ATGM platfrom for all nations. A general -5CP cost maybe would make tham more viable. Literally ATGM platfroms except with TOW2 appears only as IFV with inf in WG. Literally nobody uses ATGM platfroms in VHC tab because except some of them they are over priced.

-TOW 2A would have +1 AP.

I can live with it but pls. list what units should get it.

-The M113 TOW carrier that has TOW 2 now?

And what about the LAV-25 (?) based TOW platfrom?

-I'd think something like 7HP would be interesting, but 10 is the more popular number for Humvee HP.

One thing is sure, 10HP for Hveee is simply abusrd.

-Those helicopter buffs apply to other nations as well.

Roger.

-Cobras aren't that unsurvivable.

Are we speaking about RL?

-I don't know what loadout it could use, but it would be best off as an interceptor as long as the MiG-31s are around.

MiG-31s should be converted IMHO to MiG-21bis and/or MiG-23ML/MiG-29 9.12. No interceptor is the best what can happen.

-US is just one of the worst hit by weird stats in air tab.

I 100000% agree. Crap fuel / TOT values, very weak loadouts and avail penalty for F-15A and F-4J...

-Take all those plane suggestions with a grain of salt as they aren;t meant to all be added at once.

Xeno, me and some other users have posted many viable reroll or role for US AIR tab.

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Re: US Change List

Postby kestrel1993 » Wed 23 Sep 2015 12:11

Give F-15D 50% ECM and AMRAAMs.

*cough* 200 points *cough*
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Re: US Change List

Postby molnibalage » Wed 23 Sep 2015 12:55

kestrel1993 wrote:
Give F-15D 50% ECM and AMRAAMs.

*cough* 200 points *cough*

*cough* *cough* ...
And I do not care... If USSR can have a top tier (over modeled) multirole strike AC I want the same not over modeled for USA.
If USSR can have MiG-29M F-16C also can be multirole with AIM-120...

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Re: US Change List

Postby Vulcan 607 » Wed 23 Sep 2015 13:07

Delta should have suppressed car15 ,Carl Gustav , stoner 63

I would like mountainers to return as a shock team with m16, CG ,m21

SEALs could have the ak47 swapped with a stoner 63 assault rifle

The a7D could be added with a mixed load of mk82 snake eyes and napalm so I can finally hit the enemy with snakes and Nap!

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Re: US Change List

Postby molnibalage » Wed 23 Sep 2015 13:29

Vulcan 607 wrote:Delta should have suppressed car15 ,Carl Gustav , stoner 63
I agree. Delta is the only elite inf. which has such RPG weapon which cannot deal even with C cat tanks... This makes Delta literally garbage.

I would like mountainers to return as a shock team with m16, CG ,m21
Whatever but I have no idea that shock classification and CG are justified by RL or not.

SEALs could have the ak47 swapped with a stoner 63 assault rifle
Agree, a USSR made weapon in US hands is quite weird...

The a7D could be added with a mixed load of mk82 snake eyes and napalm so I can finally hit the enemy with snakes and Nap!
I agree, but pls at least Mk-83, Mk-82 has no real power as long as you do not have at least 12 on a single AC... 2xMk-83 would be fine with price incr.

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