Let's nerf USSR together!

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Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby Greyhound » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:11

USSR is by far the most played nation among the competitive players and there are good reasons for that. They have one of the most efficient units of all nations (MiG-27, VDV '90, TOS-1, BTR-90, MiG-25PD and the list goes on). I have seen a lot of "let's buff this nation" threads but not a lot of "let's nerf this nation" threads. Although some of these issues have been addressed separately (like the BTR-90 or the TOS-1) I feel like the Soviet question needs to be answered. I would be glad if you posted your suggestions and ideas to improve the list. Without further ado, here is the list:

INFANTRY
BTR-90 is a great problem, because of its availability to infantry (mainly to Motostrelki) and 3 cards.

BTR-90
Has 3 cards and is available to most Soviet important infantry.
Suggestion
I suggest that we cut down the cards to two and restrict it as a transport to only Morskaya and all Spetsnaz infantry.

SUPPORT
TOS-1 and BM-30 are really annoying things to deal with.

TOS-1 Buratino
Buratino is sure a unicorn. There is nothing like it in the game. It can deny enemy pushes and it can easily wipe a town. There have been a lots of threads about this one. Some suggest making it napalm only, some suggest removing the napalm effect.
Suggestion
I would suggest two cards of the current Buratino by one avail (2 cards with one Buratino). I think that the current 2 per card is ridiculous.

BM-30 Smerch
Smerch is among the best cluster artilery along with ATACMS (which has only 1 avail per card).
Suggestions
thenosh wrote:I suggest we make Smerch 1 card of two.

Lower the AP.

PLANE
The biggest Soviet joke: MiG-27
This plane. For 95 you can get an easy kill on all of the heavy tanks. The combination of the gun and the missiles which have both the chance to hit because they are SA unlike those worthless F&F missiles on other jets (Su-22 3D, MiG-27K).
Suggestion
I suggest removing the AP effect of the gun and sticking to the HE only. Gatling AP anti-tank guns should be reserved to beefy jets like A-10 or the Su-25.

Luck or just skill: MiG-25PD
The MiG-25PD profits highly of the veterancy he is given. You get either 2 elite or 3 trained and be sure that most people (all people) choose the elite one.
Suggestion
another505 wrote:So just 100pts, no veterancy nerf
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Re: Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby Azaz3l » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:14

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Re: Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby Razzmann » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:20

Are you morphers new best friend?

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Re: Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby Forimar » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:40

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
edit: Compare VDV to Pzrgrens and tell me they are still OP

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Re: Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby morpher » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:45

Razzmann wrote:Are you morphers new best friend?


No I don't know him. But the glory of this post is blinding me.

I'll be back with reasonable posts in a few hours.

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Re: Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby DeckCheney » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:47

Do not approve of soviet nerfs.
The USA is #1 exporter of freedom!
All other countries have inferior freedom!

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Postby Azaz3l » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:47

morpher wrote:I'll be back with reasonable posts in a few hours.

Oh boy we're all eagerly waiting
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Re: Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby MenDuck » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:47

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Re: Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby Greyhound » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:50

Forimar wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
edit: Compare VDV to Pzrgrens and tell me they are still OP

They have better AT range at the cost of worse anti-infantry capability. They are comparable, after all you do not buy them to fight against infantry, that is what are the Spetsnaz for.
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Re: Let's nerf USSR together!

Postby another505 » Mon 28 Sep 2015 16:52

hhaha

no vdv90 nerf, how about gurkha90s? 15men being light(so faster) with 20rof law80 for 30pts? I dont see how vdv90 is op, but just really good
BTR90, 1 or 2 per card. 30pts

smerch
just nerfs it AP like other cluster mlrs, or better, change it HE
no, 1 per card. When m270 cluster can get 2 per card and 2 cards. Currently smerch is better than them, but not so much as saying it deserves 1 avail. over 2 m270

Tos- just removes it napalm and nerf its aim time to 20second

mig25pd, 100pts, thast all. AND WTF IS WRONG WITH mig23???
Seriously why nerf both of these to veteran only?
How about mirage2000rdi? Danish F16? The swedish ASF Viggen?

Redfor actually has 1, exactly 1 amazing low point elite plane mig25pd. Mig23 sucks so i cant even imagine why you want to nerf it...
And no, i want to see more ASF to be effective instead of nerfing them further more.


So just 100pts, no veterancy nerf
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