Fine-tuning NK/China

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Sgt._Pepper » Sat 1 Oct 2016 01:25

hansbroger wrote:
CandyMan wrote:We could always make this the Chonma-ho V

http://imgur.com/a/SISG9


Nah save it for the Pokpung Ho :D

Beautiful model though, where's it from?


It's the Pokpung-Ho from Uralmod I think.

EDIT: Is it correct that the Feibao has 40% ECM like the normal JH-7? It is SEAD after all...
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Sat 1 Oct 2016 02:42

hansbroger wrote:
CandyMan wrote:We could always make this the Chonma-ho V

http://imgur.com/a/SISG9


Nah save it for the Pokpung Ho :D

Beautiful model though, where's it from?


It's just the T-72 Obr. 1989 with a skin. It's from Ural mod if I remember correctly.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby DeckCheney » Sat 1 Oct 2016 04:42

QUAD wrote:NK Marines just need a buff to their Carbines and a range buff of that RPG to 875; a good early game unit but not efficient at attrition.


There's no reason for DPRK to have 2 units that do EXACTLY the same thing.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby DeckCheney » Sat 1 Oct 2016 04:55

terror51247 wrote:Do you really think that the hermit kingdom would be able to design a 115mm ammo thats almost as strong as comtemporary 120mm?

Thats just complete fantasy.They are a third world hellhole that dont even have a proper industrial base.There no way they have the technical ability to build up to date penetrators.


What the fuck.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WIT YOU!?!

Please watch more western propaganda.

The DPRK was a prosperous nation up until the collapse of the USSR. While the Korean war devestated the the entire peninsula; the DPRK's recovery was comparable to that of the ROK. By the 1970s the place was a normal "1st world" country by comparative standards at the time. Likewise; their dense industry is presumed to be in place since the 70s.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/kpa-equipment-intro.htm

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby DeckCheney » Sat 1 Oct 2016 05:03

terror51247 wrote:Accuracy loss is proportional with accuracy.They will lose the same porpotion of their firepower as long as one isnt particulary lucky and have the same veterancy.


I don't think you understood my statement. Accuracy/ROF decay is not proportional. It severely favors the larger numbers. +1ROF is almost gaurenteed to win you a fight overy a tank with comparable accuracy, since one tank will be firing first (after the initial exchange).

terror51247 wrote:The chonma 5's stats are pure fantasy.Theres no way that thing is as armored as Late production series T64B.


Prove it. There's abysmal evidence on any of the DPRK's equipment. We're also talking about the early 90s when 2nd Gen ERA was already in service.
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Postby Admiral Piett » Sat 1 Oct 2016 05:41

Armour is something up in the air for more modern North Korean tanks. They definitely have ERA, composite armour and other such things floating around. We have seen them attach ERA to Ch'onma Vs and the like. 16 FAV is the upper limit I would give to the Ch'onma V, but it is at least within reason.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby axnone » Sat 1 Oct 2016 05:58

Took a peek at the mg changes,the most thing that bugs me is that the base LZD is actually all round inferior to the 15 pt mot?despite being a solid 5pt more expensive?
wtf is this?in the past at least the type 81 was arguably better than the rpk.now?
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby codextero » Sat 1 Oct 2016 06:20

DeckCheney wrote:What the fuck.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WIT YOU!?!

Please watch more western propaganda.

The DPRK was a prosperous nation up until the collapse of the USSR. While the Korean war devestated the the entire peninsula; the DPRK's recovery was comparable to that of the ROK. By the 1970s the place was a normal "1st world" country by comparative standards at the time. Likewise; their dense industry is presumed to be in place since the 70s.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/kpa-equipment-intro.htm



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who would have guessed that Deck knows nothing about many other topics besides wargame balance.

North Korea was wealthier than South Korea and China on a per capita basis before 1970, since it was able to coast on soviet aid and leftover Japanese industrialization. However, by no means was it "fist world" in wealth. In 1970, the GDP/capita of the US was 17,000 in 1990's dollars, while you can see the GDP/capita of North Korea was slightly over 2000. Other "first world" countries all had much higher GDP/capita, the UK, Germany, and France were all sitting at 8000-9000 dollars.

The Norks simply do not have the tech base to produce anything on par with M829 without importing. To get depleted Uranium, you have to have Uranium processing, which they don't have. Ditto for the machine tools needed to forge and produce tungsten penetrators.

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Postby DeckCheney » Sat 1 Oct 2016 07:26

codextero wrote:who would have guessed that Deck knows nothing about many other topics besides wargame balance.

North Korea was wealthier than South Korea and China on a per capita basis before 1970, since it was able to coast on soviet aid and leftover Japanese industrialization. However, by no means was it "fist world" in wealth. In 1970, the GDP/capita of the US was 17,000 in 1990's dollars, while you can see the GDP/capita of North Korea was slightly over 2000. Other "first world" countries all had much higher GDP/capita, the UK, Germany, and France were all sitting at 8000-9000 dollars.


GDP isnt a valid means to gauge the economic capacity of a communist country since all economic systems are state regulated, oriented to domestic sufficency, and value is whatever the government wants it to be.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby ardi223 » Sat 1 Oct 2016 07:59

codextero wrote:
DeckCheney wrote:What the fuck.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WIT YOU!?!

Please watch more western propaganda.

The DPRK was a prosperous nation up until the collapse of the USSR. While the Korean war devestated the the entire peninsula; the DPRK's recovery was comparable to that of the ROK. By the 1970s the place was a normal "1st world" country by comparative standards at the time. Likewise; their dense industry is presumed to be in place since the 70s.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/kpa-equipment-intro.htm



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who would have guessed that Deck knows nothing about many other topics besides wargame balance.

North Korea was wealthier than South Korea and China on a per capita basis before 1970, since it was able to coast on soviet aid and leftover Japanese industrialization. However, by no means was it "fist world" in wealth. In 1970, the GDP/capita of the US was 17,000 in 1990's dollars, while you can see the GDP/capita of North Korea was slightly over 2000. Other "first world" countries all had much higher GDP/capita, the UK, Germany, and France were all sitting at 8000-9000 dollars.

The Norks simply do not have the tech base to produce anything on par with M829 without importing. To get depleted Uranium, you have to have Uranium processing, which they don't have. Ditto for the machine tools needed to forge and produce tungsten penetrators.

They have nuclear weapons how they don't have uranium processing?
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