Fine-tuning NK/China

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby CandyMan » Tue 5 Jan 2016 19:27

Elite is too OP for China. Disregard mirage 2000 for France, Tornados for Brits, and f-16's in scandinavia. :D
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby delor » Tue 5 Jan 2016 19:29

And, to address the obvious objection- yes, all of those weaker planes I listed could probably use some buffs, as well. They're just the closest comparison in terms of capability and I think there's lots of room between "as weak as those planes" and "as strong as the PD" to slot in the J-8C.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby delor » Tue 5 Jan 2016 19:31

CandyMan wrote:Elite is too OP for China. Disregard mirage 2000 for France, Tornados for Brits, and f-16's in scandinavia. :D


Also disregard that the Mirage 2000 and F-16s are 20 points more, and that I explicitly mentioned the Tornado, which costs 10 points more, I guess.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Razzmann » Tue 5 Jan 2016 19:32

The PD is not a good choice for comparison. The reason why it was/is so good and got nerfed is that it can stun (or kill when it is a crit) planes with one hit. The only other planes that can do that (iirc) are the MiG-31s and the F-14.
I don't know the exact stats, but the Tornado F2 has more range and accuracy in the long range missiles, don't know about the sidewinders. On top of that more ecm.
Also 7km is not that muche anymore as even F&F missiles have 7.7km range.
Also, if I am not wrong the J-8Cs long range missiles have only 5 HE.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby delor » Tue 5 Jan 2016 19:37

Razzmann wrote:I don't know the exact stats, but the Tornado F2 has more range and accuracy in the long range missiles, don't know about the sidewinders. On top of that more ecm.


The F2, which is the closer comparison, has the same ECM, shorter ranged IR missiles, and significantly better (50% vs 40% and +700m range) radar missiles.

If you want to ask me if I'd prefer 2 elite J-8C at 100 points versus 2 elite F2s at 110 points, I'd definitely take the Tornadoes. OTOH, I think the Tornado F2 probably ought to be 2 at hardened instead of 2 at elite, too, so that doesn't really change my POV.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Razzmann » Tue 5 Jan 2016 19:44

Oh yeah, for some reason I thought the F2 has 40% ECM.
But it also has more HE and morale damage on its radar missiles.

And still, I don't see a problem with the J-8C becoming 2 at Elite. RD just has NO viable ASF option and the F2 is not really op.
I played enough wit hthe J-8C at hardened to see, that 2 at veteran just won't make a big difference.

delor wrote:If you want to ask me if I'd prefer 2 elite J-8C at 100 points versus 2 elite F2s at 110 points, I'd definitely take the Tornadoes.

Can you re-formulate this? I don't really understand it.

Making the F2 to 2 at hardened would just create another bad ASF card.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby delor » Tue 5 Jan 2016 19:47

Razzmann wrote:
delor wrote:If you want to ask me if I'd prefer 2 elite J-8C at 100 points versus 2 elite F2s at 110 points, I'd definitely take the Tornadoes.

Can you re-formulate this? I don't really understand it.

Making the F2 to 2 at hardened would just create another bad ASF card.


Why do you think it would be bad at hardened? It's the second best 90-110 point ASF in the game, after the PD.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby delor » Tue 5 Jan 2016 20:04

Oooh, actually, one bit of confusion:

I said hardened, but I meant "Veteran". So, that's one step down for the F2 and one step up for the J8-C, not two step downs down for the F2 and no steps up for the J8-C.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Razzmann » Tue 5 Jan 2016 20:06

2nd best? Better than the F2? I doubt it.
Why? Easy:
Unlike the F2 and PD it needs 2 hits with the radar missiles to kill planes, otherwise it needs to hit with 3 missiles or the gun on top of that.
Unlike the PD it does not stun the enemy plane on hit and it also has the same accuracy on its radar missiles as the PD.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby frostypooky » Tue 5 Jan 2016 20:13

standard requests from this end

Konkurs inf for NK
fixed MiG-29 loadout with Tornado F2/Mirage avail
one of Su-7, F-5, or F-6 (or A-5) changed to light iron bomber
acc/price buff for Chonma and Type59 lines
diff JGD/JGD90 loadout
MD500 as transport for jeongchaldae
acc/price boof strelabus
more transport for bochongers
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