Fine-tuning NK/China

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby delor » Tue 5 Jan 2016 21:08

keldon wrote:imho the rpm is undervalued when pricing


I agree entirely, and the multiplicative effect of accuracy and RPM in particular feels like it didn't get taken into account.

I just think the III is almost good enough as is. Perhaps it gets the ROF increase but also costs +5 points, as I suggested in reply to Razzman.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Razzmann » Tue 5 Jan 2016 21:21

Also, the J-8Cs gun has only 2275m range against planes contrary to F2/Mirage/F16 whicho have 2.8km.

This "plays" into the exact problem I tried to explain to you, delor, earlier.

To achieve 10dmg, the J-8C needs to hit with the following (assuming no critical hits happen):
Hit with BOTH radar missiles it shoots of in the first engagement
Hit with 1 radar missile and 2 short range missiles
Hit with 1 radar missile, 1 short range missile and deal 1 damage with the cannon
Same applies to the Mirage,
BUT
the Tornado F2 does not have to engage with the cannon in pont 3
the F-16 does not have to either, on top of that, it is enough to hit with 2 sraams as well

More often than not, the enemy plane survived with 1 HP because the J-8C did not have the range on the gun to finish it off

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby delor » Tue 5 Jan 2016 21:38

Fair enough- that's a valid point. I withdraw my objections to an elite J8-C.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Shrike » Tue 5 Jan 2016 21:42

keldon wrote:
another505 wrote:is the chinese RPK used by lijian, lie ren, and luzhandui that are good

Yes, pls more AA for armored and mechanized... HQ7 is really needed


not HQ-7, longrange HQ-61 we need. :D

played some games with RD armor, the tanks are quite ok, but got bombed to ground by nuke falcons... pong'gae 3 and PGZ-95 simply can't deal with that, and the asf selection is just sad...

HQ-7 is best sniper gunship remover and very much needed seeing as how an Apache or Eurocopter can shut down an entire armor column. HQ-61 for removing jets.

As a parallel to the HQ-61, the Pongae-2 should be made available to armor and mech as well.

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SU-100: drop price down to 15.
ATS-103: Drop price down to 25
PGZ-63: Buff helicopter range to 2450 since heavy machine guns and auto cannons of similar caliber laughably outrange its mere 1400m ranged 37mm guns.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby delor » Tue 5 Jan 2016 21:45

Shrike wrote:SU-100: drop price down to 15.


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Shrike wrote:ATS-103: Drop price down to 25


It's a surprisingly all right TD, but I could be on board with this.

Shrike wrote:PGZ-63: Buff helicopter range to 2450 since heavy machine guns and auto cannons of similar caliber laughably outrange its mere 1400m ranged 37mm guns.


Ah, but the mysteries of the VEH tab.

I vote increase the PGZ-80's anti-heli range to 2975m. :twisted:

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby another505 » Tue 5 Jan 2016 21:56

su 100 can be 10pts really
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby CornProducts » Tue 5 Jan 2016 22:39

Sigirdiwarth wrote:No mention of the need for zhanshi '85 to have access to the btr-152 with a funny name? Shameful display.


I think its just called ZSL-152.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Fade2Gray » Tue 5 Jan 2016 23:29

Shrike wrote:HQ-7 is best sniper gunship remover and very much needed seeing as how an Apache or Eurocopter can shut down an entire armor column.


Did the Eurocopter get an ATGM upgrade? Doesn't it use the Milan? As short ranged as it is, you don't need the Crotale to counter it.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Razzmann » Tue 5 Jan 2016 23:33

Fade2Gray wrote:
Shrike wrote:HQ-7 is best sniper gunship remover and very much needed seeing as how an Apache or Eurocopter can shut down an entire armor column.


Did the Eurocopter get an ATGM upgrade? Doesn't it use the Milan? As short ranged as it is, you don't need the Crotale to counter it.

Milan? :shock:
Well as rarely as it hits, not even that far away...
It uses the Hot 2 with a range of merely 2625m.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby twan11 » Wed 6 Jan 2016 00:12

The most annoying part is the infantry. Scandinavia can currently field more men than China and North Korea combined, that is unacceptable.

And in pure infantry decks (Mech, for the most slots), North Korea doesn't even get cheap transports for it's line infantry, and I don't think they even have militia at all, only in support, I forget.

I know they removed those 1 point trucks due to masses of them scouting by fire/wasting the enemy ATGMs/whatever, but I wish they brought them back and just made them disappear after driving a certain distance on the map, or let me call in my hordes of militia on foot.

One of the things I was most excited about when I bought RD was the amount of manpower Red Dragon should have had.
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