T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

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T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Markenzwieback » Tue 23 Feb 2016 12:11

Last patch the T-64BM was buffed quite a bit. The issue with the pricing needs to be fixed (and is already mentioned in the patch logs), so no need to discuss this further.

But one thing that needs to be looked at next to pricing is the availability. Comparing the T-64BM with similar tanks in performance and its future price range, something rather odd comes up:

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Both tanks compared feature some advantages on their side. The 2A1 gets a slightly better gun while the 64BM comes with the ATGM giving it a range advantage. The armor, optics and speed are very similar and once the T-64 is at 100 points (it should be 105 in my opinion), those two balanced out quite nicely if it wasn't for noticeable availability differences. Either the Leopard 2A1 needs to be adjusted or the T-64BM should get hit with an availability nerf. Just my two cents.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Basil_pup » Tue 23 Feb 2016 12:15

"- Soviet T-64BM range increased by 175m (a 10$ price nerf have been forgotten here)"
From patch log.
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Markenzwieback » Tue 23 Feb 2016 12:17

Basil_pup wrote:"- Soviet T-64BM range increased by 175m (a 10$ price nerf have been forgotten here)"
From patch log.
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Markenzwieback wrote:The issue with the pricing needs to be fixed (and is already mentioned in the patch logs), so no need to discuss this further.

But one thing that needs to be looked at next to pricing is the availability.

Point being?
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby terror51247 » Tue 23 Feb 2016 13:07

t64bm should cost 100 and so should the leo 2a1
How can anyone play to a faction's strength if the major flavour of that faction is overpriced units in every category?

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby valk » Tue 23 Feb 2016 13:39

Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby terror51247 » Tue 23 Feb 2016 13:44

The t72b1 already costs 85 points an its quite strong for its price.t64bm for 85 is just plain op.
How can anyone play to a faction's strength if the major flavour of that faction is overpriced units in every category?

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby valk » Tue 23 Feb 2016 13:46

terror51247 wrote:The t72b1 already costs 85 points an its quite strong for its price.t64bm for 85 is just plain op.


Very bad line infantry but good tanks - looks balanced.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Indian Summer » Tue 23 Feb 2016 13:54

Blue force has best 60 pt tank , red force has best 90pt tank.

I like it that every deck has some weakness and some strength. That all decks have the same units only with other names would be boring.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby thenosh » Tue 23 Feb 2016 13:57

terror51247 wrote:The t72b1 already costs 85 points an its quite strong for its price.t64bm for 85 is just plain op.


Plain op... Something new for redfor tanks. May I 1A5 you to elaborate this statemen a strv further?
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Forimar » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:00

Eugen pls fix this injustice as well
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