T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Markenzwieback » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:02

valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

So you want to put a tank that has similar performance to a NATO 105 point tank at 85 points? Indeed seems a little OP to me.
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Markenzwieback » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:05

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terror51247 wrote:The t72b1 already costs 85 points an its quite strong for its price.t64bm for 85 is just plain op.


Very bad line infantry but good tanks - looks balanced.

Meanwhile best AT infantry in game for cheap and in good numbers.
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby valk » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:07

Markenzwieback wrote:
valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

So you want to put a tank that has similar performance to a NATO 105 point tank at 85 points? Indeed seems a little OP to me.


Why not?

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Azaz3l » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:08

Want to see something even better? Compare T-64BM to T-64BV1. For 30 more points, you get +1 AP, +1 AV and +1 side armor...
Also there is no realistic reason why T-64BM has 16 armor while T-64B has 13 and T-72B has 15 (T-72B should be the most armored of them all).
T-64BM was an experimental T-64B with 6TD 1000 h.p. diesel and in the end it turned out that it couldn't be fit on the T-64 chassis, granted it could've received some armor upgrades from 80s (HHS weld on plate on the hull front, some minor turret changes...) but nothing to grant that +3 armor boost from original T-64B (also do not mistake T-64BM from 80s with modern Ukrainian T-64BM "Bulat").
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Razzmann » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:16

valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

It should be 95. 90 without ATGM.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Markenzwieback » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:22

valk wrote:
Markenzwieback wrote:
valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

So you want to put a tank that has similar performance to a NATO 105 point tank at 85 points? Indeed seems a little OP to me.


Why not?

Maybe because balance? :roll:

Razzmann wrote:
valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

It should be 95. 90 without ATGM.

The Leopard 2A1 should go down to 100 or 95 points as well. Its literally the same tank (stats wise) except a 10% more accurate main gun and no ATGM. Oh and 1AV more on the side!
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby valk » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:25

Razzmann wrote:
valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

It should be 95. 90 without ATGM.


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How much pts 1a5 should be?

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Razzmann » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:29

valk wrote:
Razzmann wrote:
valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

It should be 95. 90 without ATGM.


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How much pts 1a5 should be?

Why do you ask? Did I say it's fine?

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Azaz3l » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:30

I say decrease T-64BM frontal armor and keep the price like it is now.
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby terror51247 » Tue 23 Feb 2016 14:35

thenosh wrote:
terror51247 wrote:The t72b1 already costs 85 points an its quite strong for its price.t64bm for 85 is just plain op.


Plain op... Something new for redfor tanks. May I 1A5 you to elaborate this statemen a strv further?

Both the 1a5 and the strv 105/103D are op as well.
How can anyone play to a faction's strength if the major flavour of that faction is overpriced units in every category?

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