T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Azaz3l » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:13

terror51247 wrote:t64b's armor is too weak.BTW thats seems to be late production series t64b which are better armored(500mmvsKe in the turret/410mm vs KE in the hull)
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-64.htm

T-64BV wasn't simply T-64B with ERA, it also had improved composite armor array (late production T-64B didn't have this) and a new gun. Those armor estimations in BTVT site seem to be correct.

As for T-64BM, it's Object 476 in game apparently, which received significant armor upgrades so I guess its AV in the game is right.
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby valk » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:22

molnibalage wrote:
valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

This post wanted to be some kind of joke? USSR tanks generally beat the crap for bluefor tanks... Especially in armored deck and long range engagement with ATGM/gun swap. Any bleufor tanks below 14 FAV is a joke because USSR tanks up from 65CP with 21-22AP HEAT ATGM almost one shot kill any bluefor med tank with paper armor.


I'm speaking about ranked games. Blue tanks absolutely better there (new T-64BM gives hope to USSR players, yes).

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby molnibalage » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:28

Forimar wrote:Eugen pls fix this injustice as well
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What injustice...? :roll:

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby urho » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:30

T-64BM:
15 FAV
110 points
-2 availability

Leo2A1:
90 points
+2 availability
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby urho » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:31

Forimar wrote:Eugen pls fix this injustice as well
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The B1 is far superior.
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby urho » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:32

valk wrote:
terror51247 wrote:The t72b1 already costs 85 points an its quite strong for its price.t64bm for 85 is just plain op.


Very bad line infantry but good tanks - looks balanced.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby molnibalage » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:41

urho wrote:The B1 is far superior.

The FAV difference is marginal. Their firepower is almost the same but base ACC of T-72B1 is considerably weaker.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Azaz3l » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:48

urho wrote:T-64BM:
15 FAV
110 points
-2 availability

Leo2A1:
90 points
+2 availability

M1A2:
80 points
+6 avail

T-72BU:
16 FAV
200 points
-1 avail
-2AP
-10 km/h top speed
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby urho » Tue 23 Feb 2016 15:57

molnibalage wrote:
urho wrote:The B1 is far superior.

The FAV difference is marginal. Their firepower is almost the same but base ACC of T-72B1 is considerably weaker.

It's most likely that both tanks will hit each other with the first shot. Afterwards the B1 has a higher ROF, because of its autoloader.
B1 deals 3 dmg per shot against the mexas.
Mexas deals 2 dmg per shot against the B1.
B1 deals 32 dmg per min against inf.
Mexas deals 30 dmg per min against inf.
B1 has better top armour, too.
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby molnibalage » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:04

urho wrote:It's most likely that both tanks will hit each other with the first shot.

Since when...?

In best case at max range 50*1.16 = 58% CTH for T-72B and for Mexas 65*1.16 = 75%. 58 vs 78 %. This is huge difference not mentioning if one of them retreating the stab on Mexas is far superior and any morale pentaly is more serious for T-72B.

So rest of you comment is simply pointless because even the first statement is totally false...

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