T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby urho » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:05

molnibalage wrote:
urho wrote:It's most likely that both tanks will hit each other with the first shot.

Since when...? In best case 50*1,16 = 58% CTH for T-72B and for Mexas 65*1,16 = 75%. 58 vs 78 %. This is huge difference not mentioning if one of them retreating the stab on Mexas is far superior.

So rest of you comment is simply pointless because even the first statement is totally false...

Reading comprehension: 0 points

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby molnibalage » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:14

urho wrote:
molnibalage wrote:Reading comprehension: 0 points
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You did not make a single argument. In many vs many tank battles the caused dmg, by Mexas in generally higher both in moving and standing position so the morale dmg. is higher which has impact on calculated ACC...
Your only skill what you showed with this post of capable to make personal attack but you simply ignore the effect on math...

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby kestrel1993 » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:34

molnibalage wrote:
valk wrote:Don't touch T64BM. USSR finally can into tank fight. All what we need just remove ATGM and make it 85 pts.

This post wanted to be some kind of joke? USSR tanks generally beat the crap for bluefor tanks... Especially in armored deck and long range engagement with ATGM/gun swap. Any bleufor tanks below 14 FAV is a joke because USSR tanks up from 65CP with 21-22AP HEAT ATGM almost one shot kill any bluefor med tank with paper armor.

Maybe because players shouldn't use Leo1and his analogs as main tank on 3km open feelds?
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby thenosh » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:40

molnibalage wrote:
Forimar wrote:Eugen pls fix this injustice as well
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What injustice...? :roll:


xD smooth one molni.
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby urho » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:42

molnibalage wrote:
urho wrote:It's most likely that both tanks will hit each other with the first shot.

Since when...?

In best case at max range 50*1.16 = 58% CTH for T-72B and for Mexas 65*1.16 = 75%. 58 vs 78 %. This is huge difference not mentioning if one of them retreating the stab on Mexas is far superior and any morale pentaly is more serious for T-72B.

So rest of you comment is simply pointless because even the first statement is totally false...

I guess i need to spoon feed you how to do elementary school math and how to read.
btw: Interesting how your 75% turned into a 78%.

Elementary school math:

CTH B1 vs Mexas: 0.58
CTH Mexas vs B1: 0.75
Cases:
Mexas and B1 both hit: 0.58*0.75 = 43.5% (A)
B1 misses, Mexas hits: 0.42*0.75 = 31.5% (B)
B1 hits, Mexas misses: 0.58*0.25 = 14.5% (C)
B1 misses, Mexas misses: 0.42*0.25 = 10.5% (D)

Reading comprehension( Which case is "most likely"? ):
Easy! Find me the letter next to highest percentage number.
43.5% (A)
31.5% (B)
14.5% (C)
10.5% (D)

Can you do it, molni? Try really hard! Where's the highest number? Where is it?!

PSA: Stab has a minor effect on balance, since tanks don't shoot on the move most of the time. Learn to use attack move.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby another505 » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:42

Its more like 2a1 being shit

i mean, compare 2a1 with k1...
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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby molnibalage » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:54

urho wrote:Elementary school math:

CTH B1 vs Mexas: 0.58
CTH Mexas vs B1: 0.75
Cases:
Mexas and B1 both hit: 0.58*0.75 = 43.5% (A)
B1 misses, Mexas hits: 0.42*0.75 = 31.5% (B)
B1 hits, Mexas misses: 0.58*0.25 = 14.5% (C)
B1 misses, Mexas misses: 0.42*0.25 = 10.5% (D)

That is tha problem, because we are speaking about binomial probability after each shot in many vs. many. You examined only a single hit probability... So the problem is your skills very likely is on elementary schoo level which misleads you.

BTW the easiest way would be send against each other 4 v 4 Mexas and T-72B1 at max distance than make a reverese with Mexas and try to kill them with T-72B1. I'm eager to see the result...

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Stelz » Tue 23 Feb 2016 16:59

t64bm become 100 pt-> everyone will use 72b1 again. No atgm good enough for such price diff.

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Demonicjapsel » Tue 23 Feb 2016 17:00

Stelz wrote:t64bm become 100 pt-> everyone will use 72b1 again. No atgm varrant such price diff.


I don't know,
even at 100pts its not a bad tank by any means, so i am guessing you will still see it being used

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Re: T-64BM vs. Leopard 2A1

Postby Azaz3l » Tue 23 Feb 2016 17:07

What's the moral penalty on RoF already? Isn't it like -1 RoF every moral level?
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