Heavy tank rebalancing

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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby GARGEAN » Fri 25 Mar 2016 00:54

wargamer1985 wrote:Kiheer has a point, the Shillelagh was unreliable, complex and expensive, but besides that it had similar penetration, longer range and similar accuracy to the BGM-71A TOW. In game it should probably have 50% accuracy, along with similar buffs being applied to other MCLOS and SACLOS systems.

Less range. 2 km for base one and 3 km for C. Even base TOW has 3 km range, since I-TOW it becomed 3,75 km.

And yes, Shlilililelagh was crap. Point. Awfully big, awfully unreliable, with crappy max range(less that for tank guns), with huge deadzone(700 meters)!
So if it able to kill at least a migle - it's already pretty overmodelled.

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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby Steamfunk » Fri 25 Mar 2016 01:11

Kiheer has a point, the Shillelagh was unreliable, complex and expensive, but besides that it had similar penetration, longer range and similar accuracy to the BGM-71A TOW.


The problem was the size and shape of the missile, which was so that it could achieve the desired penetration goals. Also, the XM150 had a rifled barrel, which limited the launch velocity and caused severe barrel wear, which (combined with the ammo) made premature detonation more likely.

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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby wargamer1985 » Fri 25 Mar 2016 04:12

GARGEAN wrote:
wargamer1985 wrote:Kiheer has a point, the Shillelagh was unreliable, complex and expensive, but besides that it had similar penetration, longer range and similar accuracy to the BGM-71A TOW. In game it should probably have 50% accuracy, along with similar buffs being applied to other MCLOS and SACLOS systems.

Less range. 2 km for base one and 3 km for C. Even base TOW has 3 km range, since I-TOW it becomed 3,75 km.

And yes, Shlilililelagh was crap. Point. Awfully big, awfully unreliable, with crappy max range(less that for tank guns), with huge deadzone(700 meters)!
So if it able to kill at least a migle - it's already pretty overmodelled.

BGM-71A had 2,500m range, I believe, the BGM-71B had 3,000m range.
The Shillelagh had many issues, but one thing it was for certain was accurate if it worked. Considering similar systems have 50% accuracy, I see no reason why the Shillelagh shouldn't as well.

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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby KattiValk » Fri 25 Mar 2016 06:56

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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby codextero » Fri 25 Mar 2016 08:06

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George S. Patton wrote:You dont like Asuna? :(((((((((((
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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby GARGEAN » Fri 25 Mar 2016 08:32

wargamer1985 wrote:BGM-71A had 2,500m range, I believe, the BGM-71B had 3,000m range.

Dunno where you get those values, I saw different ones.

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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby Solo » Fri 25 Mar 2016 09:02

BGM-71A has 3000m guidance wire.
BGM-71B has 3750m guidance wire with enhanced flight motor.
All TOW which supersede original TOW have 3750m range.

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/tow.htm

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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby JBravo » Fri 25 Mar 2016 09:06

Solo wrote:BGM-71A has 3000m guidance wire.
BGM-71B has 3750m guidance wire with enhanced flight motor.
All TOW which supersede original TOW have 3750m range.

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/tow.htm


Impossible. 3750m is not a multiple of 175.
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Re: Heavy tank rebalancing

Postby Mike » Fri 25 Mar 2016 09:07

Solo wrote:BGM-71A has 3000m guidance wire.
BGM-71B has 3750m guidance wire with enhanced flight motor.
All TOW which supersede original TOW have 3750m range.

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/tow.htm


Doesn't the TOW-2B AERO have 4,250m range?
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