[Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

User avatar
Mitchverr
More than 10 000 messages. Soldier you are the leader of all armies!
Posts: 10647
Joined: Sat 24 Mar 2012 18:08
Contact:

[Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Mitchverr » Tue 24 May 2016 23:18

Bored and really want them so here is a premis for South Africa being able to join in, i mean the USSR and China are allies, the Dutch are in, come on! :D

In the rising climate of issues between capitalists and communist forces, Sino-Soviet operations in support of anti government groups within the region have been reinforced and succeed in replacing the Rhodesian government, as with history but move further by deploying soldiers at the request of the new government in order to secure the region.

Spurred by this support and success, they push to hit South Africa to open up the natural resources of the region for the Sino-Soviet governments, it is also a strong location for trade control across souther africa, in responce to this western forces reduce the trade embargo and support the South Africans giving them access to supplies.

In our timeline the communist backed groups didnt take to each other well (as happened with the USSR and Chinese), in this universe those 2 have become allies so it logically follows they would push for a united African front around the South Africans.

See madmat, you can talk them in! :lol:

Map wise, many of RDs maps can fit the general theme of the region, desert maps fit South Africa and angola, the jungle maps also fit some areas in the region especially i believe in (then)Rhodesia.

For the factions involved, i would consider South Africa and Rhodesian (as 1 nation or 2, 1 is more likely to be effective however) exiles perhaps whom were forced out in order to buff up numbers for the South Africans (more AML 90 cards lol). It would also open up for a faction pack containing Cuba, Angola, resistance fighter groups, Tanzania for the redfor forces, though they would often be using reskins it does give the redfor some new nations to play as and allows for some fun "step back from the super tech" games.

Now, on to unit lists,

South Africa;
Logistics
Spoiler : :
Ratel command vehicle (varied weapons)

Olifant command tank

Command infantry (varied transports)

SAMIL 50 supply

SAMIL 100 supply

(choppers can be found in heli tab)


Infantry
Spoiler : :
Not sure what names would be best used, so list of weapons that would be used
MP5
Milkor BXP
http://weaponsystems.net/image/s-lightb ... bxp_v1.jpg
Vektor R4 and R5 assault rifles
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c0/ ... ktorR4.jpg
R1 FN FAL
FN MAG
Vektor SS-77
http://weaponsystems.net/image/s-lightb ... s77_v1.jpg
Mini SS (above with 556 ammo)
http://www.iieexport.com/images/mini_ss_main_pic_1_.jpg
75mm HEAT rifle grenade
http://img.bidorbuy.co.za/image/upload/ ... _COVER.jpg
Denel Y3 AGL
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/cod ... 0209190209
RPG 7
Denel FT5 (can pen 710mm of armour so nice AT)
http://s99.photobucket.com/user/exT70/m ... 6.jpg.html
LARC f1
ZT3 Ingwe
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... e_ATGM.jpg

Units
Skutter/Bokkop/Rifleman
R1, LRAC-F1's, FN MAG
Skutter/Bokkop/Rifleman 90
Vektor R4, Denel FT5, Mini-SS

Parabats - shock
R1, RPG7 and FN MAG
Parabats 90 - shock
R5's, Denel FT5, and Mini-SS

MILAN team
ZT3 Ingwe team (upgrade version?)

Strela-2 team

SASF
R1, RPG 7, FN MAG
SASF 90
R5, Milkor MGL, Vektor SS-77/ Mini-SS

Light riflemen (32 battalion? The unit had a lil bit of problems at the end days so eugen might not want to name this, idk)
15 man
R1, Milan, FN MAG
Light rifleman 90 - might not be something that is added.
R4, ZT3 Ingwe(?), Mini-SS

5 recc (recon)
AK74su, RPG7, PKM

Still plenty of unique equipment above that could be mixed into units if eugen wants to do that.


IFVs and APCS
Spoiler : :
SAMIL 20/50
http://www.samiltrucks.co.za/wp-content ... L-20-1.jpg
http://www.samiltrucks.co.za/wp-content ... L-50-2.jpg

Ratel 20/60/90
All used for troops transport, could make for a unique variation as South Africans will have "mortar" and 76mm transport supporting their infantry.

Mamba Mk3 1995 intro date
http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/vehicl ... APC_02.jpg

Casspir mk1 (1980) and 2 (1986)
(multiple versions of this exist, not sure which would be picked)

buffel
http://s90.photobucket.com/user/IanIsBo ... l.jpg.html
Reservist transport

Saracen Mk 3 SA
http://i.imgur.com/g9gn9zn.jpg



Support
Spoiler : :
GV6 Renoster (g6 howitzer)
http://www.army-technology.com/projects ... s/g6_8.jpg

Valkiri
http://i.imgur.com/XQHebJc.jpg?1

Batelur
http://i.imgur.com/pqQo1Fr.jpg?1

Zu-33-2 Zumlac (23mm twin AA gun mounted on SAMIL 100s)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 3_5180.jpg

Rooikat Za35
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/za_35.jpg

Rooikat SAM - ZA HVM (IORT)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... at_SAM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AyOxrjg.jpg

Eland 60

Ratel 60

Ratel 81/120
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.c ... 9ADCF57FE/

G6 Marksman - 1997 so unlikely.

R-440 Crotale

Eland 60, Eland 60 ENTAC

T5-52, T5-2000, T6 Centurion/Semel/Olifant (G5) VLAP
http://i.imgur.com/JgrPQ1f.jpg


Tank
Spoiler : :
Centurion Mk 2

Centurion Mk 3

Centurion Mk 5

Olifant mk1a
http://s789.photobucket.com/user/Dwelm- ... a.jpg.html

Olifant 1b
http://www.army-technology.com/projects ... _tank1.jpg

Olifant Mk2 (2002 so i doubt it but thought worth a punt lol)
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk2.jpg

TTD - 105mm and/or 120mm varients
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/tan ... trator.htm


Recon
Spoiler : :
Ratel 20 recon varient?

Ratel EAOS

109 Sabre 2 Recon

Recon Land Rover, just as the UK.

Eland 60 & Eland 60 ENTAC [Recon]

Ferret Mk 2

Rooikatt 76 [Recon]

Alouette III Recon chopper

Pathfinders

Reconnaissance Commando

Jakkal
http://www.sa-transport.co.za/military/ ... 2_jd03.JPG



Vehicle
Spoiler : :
Rooikat Anti Tank
http://www.army-guide.com/images/rooikat76_sdkj3.jpg

Rooikat 76/105 (105mm being a prototype)
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/rooikat_105.jpg

Ratel ZT-3
http://www.sa-transport.co.za/military/ ... 1_jd03.JPG

Eland Mk7
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldw ... patrol.jpg

Sabre 106
An M40 Recoilless Rifle mounted on a Land Rover.

Sabre ENTAC


Planes
Spoiler : :
Mirage-3
Mirage 3EZ
Mirage-3DZ
Mirage-3D2Z
Mirage-3R2Z
Mirage-3CZ
Mirage-3BZ
Mirage-3RZ

Mirage F-1A
Mirage F-1E

Impala-2 (MB-326K) 6 x 120 kg bomb + 4x6 68mm SNEB or 4x 250 kg bomb + 2x18 SNEB
Impala-1 (MB-326GB)

Cheetah-C DEFA 552, A-Darter, R-Darter
Cheetah-D 2-seater version of the Cheetah-C
Cheetah-E Standby-interceptor with carrying 2x V3C missiles

F-86F CL-13B Sabre-6

Atlar Carver

Canberra

Magister

Vampire

Blackburn Buccaneer 4x450kg bombs + 4x6 SNEB (this was a common loadout


Choppers
Spoiler : :
AS.330 Puma

Atlas Oryx Mk2

SA 321 Super Frelon

Alouette III

Atlas XH-1 Alpha, XTP-1 Beta

Rooivalk, Rooivalk Block 1F


For vehicles, many are both transport and supply options or transport and tank destroyer options, up to eugen how they wish to implement them in a way that would fit South Africa (though troops mounted in Ratel 90s would be cool aswell as dedicated AT versions without transport)

I dont know enough about air and helicopter stuff to get into that, but about 20 unique units not including reskins and the infantry can easily be armed with more unique equipment. If you have more to add go for it, though i was trying to add stuff that would be unique for South Africa, fun and flavourful to the nation given its very unique armed forces i know i missed out a good chunk that can also be added too, so go ahead and i will add to the list.


If anyone writes up a nice list for any of the other nations i mentioned, i will happily add that too :D

Pictures for the man who asked have been added, for vehicles mentioned multiple times, find below, if it is already ingame in some form or a well known model, not going to link cos cba lazy boi. If wiki link then all pics are there if you scroll a bit
Ratel family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratel_IFV
Rooikat


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooikat



Edit:Final notes, why South Africa is a logical choice gameplay wise, it is a nation that is based on wheels and moves around like mad, the ANZACs were supposed to do this but simply dont have the weapons technology without gifts from otherse, South Africa can arguably do this alone, it has AA, artilery, tank hunters, "tanks", heavily armed transports and all go fast as hell on wheels. This makes South Africa highly unique in ability making them a strong asset for the game.


EDIT: Rhodesian support units
Rhodesian SAS
Rhodesian armoured car regiment - Elands, ferrets, T-55s (blufor T-55s!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian ... f_Rhodesia - ALL the kitz



Thanks going to the following for making wheels great again;
andrewza
Eukie
Last edited by Mitchverr on Wed 25 May 2016 14:00, edited 9 times in total.
Image

User avatar
Razzmann
General
Posts: 7497
Joined: Fri 7 Mar 2014 15:29
Location: The land of flowing beer and Sauerkraut.
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Razzmann » Tue 24 May 2016 23:22

Me want pics!

User avatar
Mitchverr
More than 10 000 messages. Soldier you are the leader of all armies!
Posts: 10647
Joined: Sat 24 Mar 2012 18:08
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Mitchverr » Tue 24 May 2016 23:23

Razzmann wrote:Me want pics!


But i am lazy, sigh, fine, will go get pics at some point tonight okay? :lol:
Image

User avatar
Razzmann
General
Posts: 7497
Joined: Fri 7 Mar 2014 15:29
Location: The land of flowing beer and Sauerkraut.
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Razzmann » Tue 24 May 2016 23:23

Mitchverr wrote:
Razzmann wrote:Me want pics!


But i am lazy, sigh, fine, will go get pics at some point tonight okay? :lol:

Woohoo!

User avatar
Mitchverr
More than 10 000 messages. Soldier you are the leader of all armies!
Posts: 10647
Joined: Sat 24 Mar 2012 18:08
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Mitchverr » Tue 24 May 2016 23:40

Razzmann wrote:
Mitchverr wrote:
Razzmann wrote:Me want pics!


But i am lazy, sigh, fine, will go get pics at some point tonight okay? :lol:

Woohoo!


Updated with a chunk of pictures for you, just because you asked so nicely :)

any other thoughts then wanting pictures? :lol: I aint some kind of picture whore.
Image

User avatar
Razzmann
General
Posts: 7497
Joined: Fri 7 Mar 2014 15:29
Location: The land of flowing beer and Sauerkraut.
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Razzmann » Tue 24 May 2016 23:42

Mitchverr wrote:Updated with a chunk of pictures for you, just because you asked so nicely :)

any other thoughts then wanting pictures? :lol: I aint some kind of picture whore.

What? Just links to the pictures? Not even embed? You gotta put more effort into this! :lol:

User avatar
Mitchverr
More than 10 000 messages. Soldier you are the leader of all armies!
Posts: 10647
Joined: Sat 24 Mar 2012 18:08
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Mitchverr » Tue 24 May 2016 23:45

Razzmann wrote:
Mitchverr wrote:Updated with a chunk of pictures for you, just because you asked so nicely :)

any other thoughts then wanting pictures? :lol: I aint some kind of picture whore.

What? Just links to the pictures? Not even embed? You gotta put more effort into this! :lol:


If i embed them then it will take a huge amount of the screen up lol, clicking isnt that bad, also, what does 1 think of my now added closing statement on why SA would be a good choice?
Image

User avatar
hansbroger
Lieutenant General
Posts: 4428
Joined: Sun 28 Jul 2013 03:45
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby hansbroger » Tue 24 May 2016 23:49

We get Canberra, Magister, Vampire, Buccaneer and Rhodesian SAS too while we're at it, might as well make the SADF faction an ANZAC like hybrid of South Africa+ Rhodesia.

A lot of this can be poached from one of the Commonwealth thought experiment threads as well.

Let's throw in EO for BMP-2, T-72M1, Mi-8 and Hinds just to round things out ;)
Projectnordic in game! will likely see you on pact/red dragons/french!
Image

User avatar
Mitchverr
More than 10 000 messages. Soldier you are the leader of all armies!
Posts: 10647
Joined: Sat 24 Mar 2012 18:08
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Mitchverr » Tue 24 May 2016 23:54

hansbroger wrote:We get Canberra, Magister, Vampire, Buccaneer and Rhodesian SAS too while we're at it, might as well make the SADF faction an ANZAC like hybrid of South Africa+ Rhodesia.

A lot of this can be poached from one of the Commonwealth thought experiment threads as well.

Let's throw in EO for BMP-2, T-72M1, Mi-8 and Hinds just to round things out ;)


Thanks for the name drops there, however any idea on equipment lists, i genuinely am not a plane guy as you all likely know, i am a wheeled vehicle guy which is why i know a chunk on the ground units :lol:

Will put them up in the list, choppers are also vitally in need.
Image

User avatar
Farks
Master Sergeant
Posts: 151
Joined: Fri 26 Apr 2013 02:29
Contact:

Re: [Non-included nation] South Africa (and possibly others in region)

Postby Farks » Wed 25 May 2016 00:06

Interesting suggestion, an african country would make a nice addition to WG.

Return to “Wargame : Red Dragon”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests