The please save EuroCorpses thread

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The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Thu 26 May 2016 11:17

As cheap MG3 was the EC equvalent of bombers/fire support/IFVs all in one,
the deck could revive with some tweaks:

Infantry
  • Commando Marine 35pt -> 30pt or loadout changes.
    This unit does not shine at anti infantry or anti tank. At 35pt is still bad.
    E.g., give eryx to Commando Marine.
  • Legion '90 1 -> 2 cards or RIMa in moto
    The nerf to one card killed EC moto (was it a way to standardize light infantry?).
  • Increase base shock infantry availability by one or two ticks, applicable to all factions (except mot. shutzen, I guess).
  • VAB T20/13 12/8 -> 20/16 availability.
    This VAB is the only wheeled IFV and has less availability than BTR-80A.
    The tracked equivalent as 20/16 availability, this could be the same.
  • Marder 1 line with 12/8 availability for shock infantry.
    Like other comparable transports.
  • Some love for the Marder 2 like 2 cards and/or 2HE.

Support
  • GepardA2
    • Availability to 5/4 as 85pt Tunguska.
      The current 4/3 availability is too restrictive and not in line with similar units.
    • Available in motorised.
      Like the rest of the Gepard line.
  • Roland 3 5/4 availability
    4/3 availability is a bit restrictrive and not in line with other AA units,
    as other threads pointed out.

Tank
  • Leopard 2 medium optics
    Is there a reason why the base Leo2 has poor optics while older tanks have
    medium optics?
  • Leopard 1A5 65pt -> 60pt
    Best tank in moto, it needs to be cost effective.
  • Brennus 65pt -> 60pt
    In line with 1A5.
  • AMX-32 & AMX-40 in motorized.
    Similar to RD moto, they fit the flavour: fast and light armoured.
    Is this too much?
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  • AMX-10 RC SB +1 RPM
    Underperforming for the price.
  • AMX-13 HARPON to 1925m range.
    Very low accuracty with very low range. Does it got fogotten from the tank accuracy buffs?

Recon

  • VBL Mistral availability 0/6/4/0/0
    Same availability as very good optics units.
  • AMX-10 RC + 1 RPM.
    Underperforming for the price.

Helicopter
  • Gazelle 342M HOT-2 to 50pt.
    It cost the same as the Fennec TOW-2 but with weaker missiles and less HP.
  • Bo 105P/PAH-1A1 (The HOT-2 carrier) to 55pt.
    Same reasoning as the Gazelle

Vehicle
  • Marder VTS1 25pt -> 20pt
    Cheaper tank destroyer, at 25pt for 6rpm is almost useless.
  • Sagaie 25pt -> 15pt
    Cheaper wheeled fire support. 1 AV, 7rpm and the Zhalo is at 30pt.
    Two suggestions: 20pt with rpm buff or 15pt as it is now.
  • Flakpanzer M42A1 15pt -> 10pt
    Cheaper anti infantry fire support.
  • Wiesel autocannon autonomy buff at least to 300.
  • VAB Mephisto gets HOT-2, intro date pushed to 1985 or 1986.
  • Wiesel TOW-2 autonomy buff at least to 300.

Air
  • Mirage FICT (The cluster bomber) 145pt -> 130pt.
    The cheaper cluster bomber will compensate for the lack of good ATGM planes.
  • Super etendard 90pt -> 80pt..
    90pt is too much for a plane that cannot one-shot a superheavy.


CMW has 10% coalition bonus, Scandi has 15% and EB has 15%. All coalitions superior to EC.
EC could get a 15% availability bonus.
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Thu 26 May 2016 11:19

This thread made me lul.

The base Leo 2 didn't have thermal sights, that's why.

Edit: Eurocorps has 2 serviceable ATGM planes, what are you on about? The Entendard is great.
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby Oktoberfest » Thu 26 May 2016 12:03

morpher wrote:As cheap MG3 was the EC equvalent of bombers/fire support/IFVs all in one, the deck could revive with some tweaks:

Infantry
  • Commando Marine 35pt -> 30pt or loadout changes.
    This unit does not shine in anti infantry or anti tank. At 35pt is still bad.
  • Legion '90 1 -> 2 cards or RIMa in moto
    The nerf to one card killed EC moto (was it a way to standardize light infantry?).

Fire support
  • Marder VTS1 25pt -> 20pt
    Cheaper tank destroyer, at 25pt for 6rpm is almost useless.
  • Sagaie 25pt -> 15pt
    Cheaper wheeled fire support. 1 AV, 7rpm and the Zhalo is at 30pt.
  • Flakpanzer M42A1 15pt -> 10pt
    Cheaper anti infantry fire support.

Support
  • GepardA2 prototype to moto
    A little buff to EC moto, the rest of the Gepard line is already in moto.
  • Roland 3 5/4 availability


    4/3 availability is a bit restrictrive and not in line with other AA units,
    as other threads pointed out.

Transports
  • VAB T20/13 12/8 -> 20/16 availability.
    This VAB is the only wheeled IFV and has less availability than BTR-80A.
    The tracked equivalent as 20/16 availaility, this could be the same.
  • Marder 1 line (maybe even Marder 2?) access to jagers.

Recon

  • VBL Mistral availability 0/6/4/0/0
    Same availability as very good optics units.

Tank
  • Leopard 2 medium optics
    Is there a reason why the base Leo2 has poor optics while older tanks have
    medium optics?
  • Leopard 1A5 65pt -> 60pt
    Best tank in moto, it needs to be cost effective.
  • Brennus 65pt -> 60pt
    In line with 1A5.
  • Leclerc availability 2 -> 3 (4 in France national similar to Moderna in CSSR)
    EC lacks a card of ATGM planes to trade for the enemy superheavies, 3 availability
    could compensate.


You are crazy ? Giving the french the ability to access to the same number / card / availability / categories as the other nations would be bias.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby OTHOAB » Thu 26 May 2016 12:05

Rima in moto would be cool, but I am afraid it will cause 'add morskaya in moto pl0x' threads to explode.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Thu 26 May 2016 12:10

Sweedish_Gunner wrote:This thread made me lul.

The base Leo 2 didn't have thermal sights, that's why.

Edit: Eurocorps has 2 serviceable ATGM planes, what are you on about? The Entendard is great.


The benchmark is: can one-shot a super heavies? yes -> good, no -> bad.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby Pleb Squasher » Thu 26 May 2016 12:29

morpher wrote:As cheap MG3 was the EC equvalent of bombers/fire support/IFVs all in one, the deck could revive with some tweaks:

Infantry
  • Commando Marine 35pt -> 30pt or loadout changes.
    This unit does not shine in anti infantry or anti tank. At 35pt is still bad.
  • Legion '90 1 -> 2 cards or RIMa in moto
    The nerf to one card killed EC moto (was it a way to standardize light infantry?).

Fire support
  • Marder VTS1 25pt -> 20pt
    Cheaper tank destroyer, at 25pt for 6rpm is almost useless.
  • Sagaie 25pt -> 15pt
    Cheaper wheeled fire support. 1 AV, 7rpm and the Zhalo is at 30pt.
  • Flakpanzer M42A1 15pt -> 10pt
    Cheaper anti infantry fire support.

Support
  • GepardA2 prototype to moto
    A little buff to EC moto, the rest of the Gepard line is already in moto.
  • Roland 3 5/4 availability
    4/3 availability is a bit restrictrive and not in line with other AA units,
    as other threads pointed out.

Transports
  • VAB T20/13 12/8 -> 20/16 availability.
    This VAB is the only wheeled IFV and has less availability than BTR-80A.
    The tracked equivalent as 20/16 availaility, this could be the same.
  • Marder 1 line (maybe even Marder 2?) access to jagers.

Recon

  • VBL Mistral availability 0/6/4/0/0
    Same availability as very good optics units.

Tank
  • Leopard 2 medium optics
    Is there a reason why the base Leo2 has poor optics while older tanks have
    medium optics?
  • Leopard 1A5 65pt -> 60pt
    Best tank in moto, it needs to be cost effective.
  • Brennus 65pt -> 60pt
    In line with 1A5.
  • Leclerc availability 2 -> 3 (4 in France national similar to Moderna in CSSR)
    EC lacks a card of ATGM planes to trade for the enemy superheavies, 3 availability
    could compensate.


The fanboys are here!

Eurocore is still absolutely fine, they have their own nice little selection of units and are still perfectly viable competitively.

You are straight up wrong about EC relying on the MG3 because they have 'no adequate support vehicles or IFVs.' Marder VTSI has good ambush capability. You have the KanonenJagdpanzer which as a crazy 12 RoF. Also EC has viable tanks at all price ranges, you can just use those instead of support vehicles.
EC also has fine bombers, the Tornado IDS is a completely reasonable multirole bomber.

EC needs absolutely no changes.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Thu 26 May 2016 12:31

Pleb Squasher wrote:EC also has fine bombers, the Tornado IDS is a completely reasonable multirole bomber.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Thu 26 May 2016 12:33

Pleb Squasher wrote: You have the KanonenJagdpanzer which as a crazy 12 RoF.


It is good, not crazy, two ASU for the same price get 16rpm.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby DeckCheney » Thu 26 May 2016 12:34

Pleb Squasher wrote:EC needs absolutely no changes.


EC gets nerfed every patch just like USSR... :?

Otherwise:

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby urho » Thu 26 May 2016 15:03

Sweedish_Gunner wrote:This thread made me lul.

The base Leo 2 didn't have thermal sights, that's why.

Edit: Eurocorps has 2 serviceable ATGM planes, what are you on about? The Entendard is great.

Wrong.
180 Leo2s had thermals. The remaining 200 had a PZB200(passive residual light amplifier), which is way better than anything the soviets have to offer in this game, yet they have medium optics too.


^This is the person, who mentioned scandi's MLU as a great dedicated ATGM plane. Just fyi.
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