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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby another505 » Sun 3 Jul 2016 00:44

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morpher wrote:At 40pt is not decent. What lack are the 15-20pt 1.7km autocannons, spammable autocannons.

Most factions can play the stealth game with a 1,7km ac in the recon tab. The luchs are pretty irrelevant as 1,5km is out-ranged by anything.


Talking about the recon tab, huh? France brings alot of steelth tanks though, cost effective ones to boot. Steelth ac are nice to have but steelth cannons are not to be ignored.


The amx-13 was good at 20pt. at 25 is meh. The wheeled amx has a low rate of fire. If you attack move an amx-10 vs a brdm-3, the brdm-3 wins every time.

25pts meh? compare to type 63? T-55 recon tanks?

amx-10 will beat the brdm3 at its range advantage. It has its own advantage of being able to kill light vehicles and infantry at longer range than Brdm-3
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Sun 3 Jul 2016 00:46

another505 wrote:amx-10 will beat the brdm3 at its range advantage. It has its own advantage of being able to kill light vehicles and infantry at longer range than Brdm-3


It takes a lot of time for killing anything.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

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another505 wrote:amx-10 will beat the brdm3 at its range advantage. It has its own advantage of being able to kill light vehicles and infantry at longer range than Brdm-3


It takes a lot of time for killing anything.

same as brdm-3 unless it gets really close

i actually prefer gun recon over ac recon
the ability to control a longer distance over a field, suppress and panic infantry before they get close.
Not to mention, AC tends to run out of ammo way faster just to kill 2 squads of infantry in max range, while AMX-10 can just keep shooting for days.
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby keldon » Sun 3 Jul 2016 00:51

morpher wrote:The amx-13 was good at 20pt. at 25 is meh. The wheeled amx has a low rate of fire. If you attack move an amx-10 vs a brdm-3, the brdm-3 wins every time.


That hilarious 13 rpm is meh? nah, can't be. I'll gladly exchange my type 63 for that thing. And the amx-10 is still a very good and viable unit, btw. it also has more range than brdm and the case you outlined would happen to all lightly armored cannon units, if they miss the first shot.

seriously, EC could be buffed in various ways, but it's not shit tier, and the lack of a ac recon unit is by far not the problem.
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby FoxZz » Sun 3 Jul 2016 00:54

AMX wheeled tank and Sagaie needs to receive RoF buff and accuracy buffs with some price nerfs in some cases to be really worth taking and interesting to play. Their current RoF is killing them, as soon as they get in range of an autocannon like the BTR80A they are dead. Those buffs are also needed for dealing cost effectively with all the cheap shit that can be thrown at you like ASUs, BMP1s, ZPTUs and stuff.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Sun 3 Jul 2016 00:54

keldon wrote:seriously, EC could be buffed in various ways, but it's not shit tier, and the lack of a ac recon unit is by far not the problem.


I didn't ask for ac recon or 1.7km elsewhere. It is a gap, but I never asked to be "filled".

What bother me is how the atrocious availability of transports was never pointed out in a thread. Come on, 12/8 VAB T20/13 for line infantry?

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:01

FoxZz wrote:Those buffs are also needed for dealing cost effectively with all the cheap shit that can be thrown at you.


Eh, this is the main problem. 10pt jagers were the go to respond to counter spam. Now it is very tricky, how can you out-spam 15pt mot. shutzen with 16 jagers per card with the same veterancy of 18 mot. shutzen per card?

And for the ASU spam, the marder2 is useless as it get destroyed by less than 4 ASUs.

The only decent counter is the leo1a4 and it works only with open ground.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby keldon » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:07

morpher wrote:I didn't ask for ac recon or 1.7km elsewhere. It is a gap, but I never asked to be "filled".

What bother me is how the atrocious availability of transports was never pointed out in a thread. Come on, 12/8 VAB T20/13 for line infantry?


Foxzz' thread asked for the avail. buff for the vab, which i agree with. Just don't pretend EC is shit beyond good and evil.

FoxZz wrote:AMX wheeled tank and Sagaie needs to receive RoF buff and accuracy buffs with some price nerfs in some cases to be really worth taking and interesting to play. Their current RoF is killing them, as soon as they get in range of an autocannon like the BTR80A they are dead. Those buffs are also needed for dealing cost effectively with all the cheap shit that can be thrown at you like ASUs, BMP1s, ZPTUs and stuff.


Not against it, but the amx-13 is quite good at dealing with such threats tbh. All those cannon units are capable to pop those ac ifvs given not missing the first shot. I don't really have an opinion on those wheeled tanks though, imo they are decent for their price, is there really a need to buff them and then nerf the price?
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:16

keldon wrote:Foxzz' thread asked for the avail. buff for the vab, which i agree with. Just don't pretend EC is shit beyond good and evil.


Not shit, but the last patch nerfed the coalition without reason (and was not "competitive" even before).

keldon wrote:Not against it, but the amx-13 is quite good at dealing with such threats tbh. All those cannon units are capable to pop those ac ifvs given not missing the first shot. I don't really have an opinion on those wheeled tanks though, imo they are decent for their price, is there really a need to buff them and then nerf the price?


There are no other similar units in both tank and recon tab. The closest units are the anzac vickers and, compared to them, a +1 rpm shouldn't require a price nerf.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby codextero » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:16

morpher wrote:
keldon wrote:And you complained about the lack of decent ac, which is not true. It may not be the cheapest deal around but it is still powerful.


At 40pt is not decent. What lack are the 15-20pt 1.7km autocannons, spammable autocannons.

Most factions can play the stealth game with a 1,7km ac in the recon tab. The luchs are pretty irrelevant as 1,5km is out-ranged by everything.


Wow, how many nations have spammable 1.7km autocannons?

The 1.7km autocannons are

- Bushmaster (crap gun)
- Late 2A42
- 2A72
- Rarden (lmao)
- KBA
- KDE
- ZPT
- Bushmaster 2

Of these , Late 2A42, 2A72, and KDE only come on 25 point APC and up, so not exactly "spammable". Other than the East Germans who get Mot-Shutzen in theirs, everyone else settles for RPG-7+PKM garbage. Or worse, Syoujyu Butai in the Hachi-Kyu.

Bushmaster and Rarden are flat garbage

The "spammable" ones are KBA and ZPT, which are used by mainly BD and RD seeing as BD and RD are both garbage, let them keep their advantages.

All that leaves is the CV9030N in the Norwegian deck, and THS-495 in the Canadian deck.

And speaking as someone who plays a ton of US/Cw, I would gladly trade away every single Bushmaster and Rarden for RH 202's.

202 is the best close quarters AC in the game, nothing else comes close.

Recon wise, EC doesn't have a BRDM-3 or Hachi Nana, but those are the 2 best recon AC's in the game. SpPz Luchs can smack around every other wheeled recon AC. Recon Leopard is a fantastic unit, and France has the only wheeled recon cannon in the game.

If you see hachi nana or BRDM, you don't need fight them with Luchs, use a Leopard or AMX-10 RC.
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