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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby another505 » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:18

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FoxZz wrote:Those buffs are also needed for dealing cost effectively with all the cheap shit that can be thrown at you.


Eh, this is the main problem. 10pt jagers were the go to respond to counter spam. Now it is very tricky, how can you out-spam 15pt mot. shutzen with 16 jagers per card with the same veterancy of 18 mot. shutzen per card?

And for the ASU spam, the marder2 is useless as it get destroyed by less than 4 ASUs.

The only decent counter is the leo1a4 and it works only with open ground.


marder 2 wont get devoured by 4 asu 85 in the open. Asu can't pen the marder 2 at max range and has shit accuracy. Im not sure about close range, but a single burst of marder 2 can easily destroy an asu85
Leo1a4 is a very good tank, amazing for its price as fire support compare to T72/ztz88/merrida , sadly, rarely seen anyone takes it as everyone goes for 1a5 instead

if it is the problem of facing spam in close range, at least you have m270 HE and marder 1 to compensate. Some decks like RD is complete shit in forest against the spam of lvtp7a1, SMAW and CEV. or any other deck like CMW/SCANDI

RD doesnt get much super units, and their infantry quality can't even compensate it.

That said, i think kannodwhateverpanzer can drop to 15pts to help a bit in fire support duty
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby another505 » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:20

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Wow, how many nations have spammable 1.7km autocannons?

The 1.7km autocannons are

- Bushmaster (crap gun)
- Late 2A42
- 2A72
- Rarden (lmao)
- KBA
- KDE
- ZPT
- Bushmaster 2

Of these , Late 2A42, 2A72, and KDE only come on 25 point APC and up, so not exactly "spammable". Other than the East Germans who get Mot-Shutzen in theirs, everyone else settles for RPG-7+PKM garbage. Or worse, Syoujyu Butai in the Hachi-Kyu.

Bushmaster and Rarden are flat garbage

The "spammable" ones are KBA and ZPT, which are used by mainly BD and RD seeing as BD and RD are both garbage, let them keep their advantages.

All that leaves is the CV9030N in the Norwegian deck, and THS-495 in the Canadian deck.

And speaking as someone who plays a ton of US/Cw, I would gladly trade away every single Bushmaster and Rarden for RH 202's.

202 is the best close quarters AC in the game, nothing else comes close.


the ZPT of RD isnt even spammable. It either comes in a complete crap literally worst infantry in game , zhanshi 85, or an expensive luzhandui90
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:21

codextero wrote:Wow, how many nations have spammable 1.7km autocannons?


NORAD
CMW
NL-GER
SCANDI
BD
USSR
RD
EB

codextero wrote:202 is the best close quarters AC in the game, nothing else comes close.


A rh202 will never get close to a 1,7km ac.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:24

another505 wrote:RD doesnt get much super units, and their infantry quality can't even compensate it.


The problem of RD and BD is that they require re-roles and/or new units to become attractive. EC maybe will never be a top coalition, and I am not asking for this, but with a list of small tweaks can become fun (again).

another505 wrote:That said, i think kannodwhateverpanzer can drop to 15pts to help a bit in fire support duty.


15pt is a bit too cheap, 20pt is ok. I think it is not that useful because 1 leo1a4 is better than 2 kannonen.

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby keldon » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:28

another505 wrote:That said, i think kannodwhateverpanzer can drop to 15pts to help a bit in fire support duty


If Kanonenjagdpanzer drops down to 15 pts with 12 rpm, i will vote for Afd or NPD to help them to make Germany become the fourth Reich. :?
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby codextero » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:32

another505 wrote:the ZPT of RD isnt even spammable. It either comes in a complete crap literally worst infantry in game , zhanshi 85, or an expensive luzhandui90


ZPT also comes on WZ-551, and you can stuff them with Li Jian 90 or Tanke Shashou 85. Li Jian 90 in WZ-551 is one of my RD staples.

another505 wrote: Some decks like RD is complete shit in forest against the spam of lvtp7a1, SMAW and CEV.


Luzhandui 90 works pretty well for me, they are expensive, but PF-89 1-shots LVTP, and 2 shots CEV. They have enough health to soak some SMAW hits, and takes out US Marines 90 without much trouble.

morpher wrote:CMW


Oh no, Commonwealth is spamming Rardens, NOT THE RARDENS, ANYTHING BUT RARDENS.

If USSR is spamming BMP-2 Obr 86 with Motostrelki at you, you've already won.

BTR-90 isn't spammable

BTR-80A is borderline, but the infantry you can put in them are far inferior to Panzergrenadiers.
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby keldon » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:34

codextero wrote:ZPT also comes on WZ-551, and you can stuff them with Li Jian or Tanke Shashou 85. Li Jian 75 in WZ-551 is one of my RD staples.



Hate to derail this thread into RD, but Lijian 75 doesn't get anything other than the ZSL and Z-5 as transports
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:35

codextero wrote:Oh no, Commonwealth is spamming Rardens, NOT THE RARDENS, ANYTHING BUT RARDENS.


No Canadians?

codextero wrote:If USSR is spamming BMP-2 Obr 86 with Motostrelki at you, you've already won.


BRDM-3 + BTR-80A + BTR-90

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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby codextero » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:36

keldon wrote:
codextero wrote:ZPT also comes on WZ-551, and you can stuff them with Li Jian or Tanke Shashou 85. Li Jian 75 in WZ-551 is one of my RD staples.



Hate to derail this thread into RD, but Lijian 75 doesn't get anything other than the ZSL and Z-5 as transports


Made a typo, it's Li Jian 90.

WZ-551 drops their availability but you usually don't run through that many Li Jian 90.

morpher wrote:BRDM-3 + BTR-80A + BTR-90


BRDM 3 is a recon, not a transport, you kill them with AMX-10 RC.

BTR-90 is 30 points and - availability, you can't spam those things any more than you can spam Marder 2.

80A is the only "Spammable" one.
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Re: The please save EuroCorpses thread

Postby morpher » Sun 3 Jul 2016 01:42

codextero wrote:BRDM 3 is a recon, not a transport, you kill them with AMX-10 RC.


I never said only transports could participate to the game. The AMX-10 RC wins only in a very limited number of scenarios: brdm-3 not moving, engaging > 17.km.

codextero wrote:BTR-90 is 30 points and - availability, you can't spam those things any more than you can spam Marder 2.
80A is the only "Spammable" one.


BTRD-3 + BTR-80A + BTR-90 make a 1.7km ac spam.

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