FrangibleCover wrote:Given that Switzerland has the MOWAG Spy to provide lightly-armoured wheeled VG optics and the Puch to provide Exceptional optics is there any need for the Eagle other than the Danes already having the model? It's just that NCE needs so many prototypes to be viable that it can't afford to have prototypes just because. I mean, how much do you actually see the Spejdervogn being used?
NCE as a whole, maybe, but the current proposal has nine Swiss prototypes. Denmark has eight, West Germany has ten, Canada has twelve, the Netherlands has ten. Certainly, the Eagle does look a bit superfluous - but I'm not sure if the Spy is actually Very Good and not just Good optics. In any case, I'm not too worried about the Eagle.
Switzerland has 11 by my count: Command Piranha, Stinger, Flab 68, Piranha ADATS, SNORA M113, Panzerhaubitze 88/95, Eagle I, Piranha, PAL Piranha and the F-18C & Ds. Now, 11 is okay by me but if we could trade in the Eagle for a Piranha III 10x10 to achieve full high-speed infantry flavour that'd be preferable IMO. The pre-production Eagles have been bought by the Danes anyway!
Furthermore, since BGS and Fernspäher come in Fuchs and Fuchs MILANs could the Grenadieraüfklarer justify the Radschützenpanzer 93s? (I'm considering buying a German keyboard at this stage)
Now, spreadsheet updates! I've added years of introduction to the Swiss tanks as well as two new Saurer 4K variants; a Mistral-carrier and a SNORA carrier. Whereas the Swiss one would be a prototype, the Austria SNORA-carrier seems to have actually seen actual deployment to troops! Among Austrian Excess SUP I've added the SM-4 quad 120 mm mortar and a second Saurer 4K FlaK prototype. Additional Austrian Excess TNK includes the T-34/85 - long deprecated by 1980 but nonetheless a vehicle that once was part of Austrian arsenals.
Nice additions, especially the SNORA Schützenpanzer. I'm a little confused about the difference between the Pz 68 AA3 and AA4 other than to get another two cards of tanks into the tab. The problem with Austrian tanks coming back into service is that I'm not sure how much they had a reserve and how much they had a dude with a crowbar and a hole full of concrete. I know some T-34 turrets were kept as Tobruks but does that mean that there was a pile of hulls from which spares could be scavenged for the others or does it mean that there was a pile of tanks from which turret parts could be scavenged?
Incidentally, in a hypothetical campaign involving Austria for WG4 there should definitely be cheap turrets with no movement speed that would be deployable in owned sectors i.e. all sectors when Austria is defending but nothing useful when they're attacking. The models are practically free, create a grey box and then splice the turrets (presumably a separate model part since they rotate) from already modelled units onto them.
Perhaps the most game-changing though, is that the SNORA was a weapon-system designed for integration with the Huey platform. Since Austria apparently had both SNORA and Twin Hueys, this means they can potentially be given a rocket gunship - and a more realistic gunship than the Alouette III SURA-D-wagon at that!
Good find. There was a Hollow Charge SNORA as well so Austria could get a Bushranger clone if needed. Furthermore it's possible that the SNORA Schützenpanzer could become an IFV that uses them in direct fire (at a slow rate). It's probably better as rocket arty though.
Is it a box? Is it a belt? Can it get the good stats from both
Now, for my own contribution: https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/201 ... i-weapons/
I went looking for T-34s but I found
the mortar halftrack! And a bunch of other stuff. Now, it does say that pretty much all of this stuff was out of service (although BNIB M1 Carbines for the Militz are tempting, given that they'd basically be a Battle Rifle statclone anyway) but I think a couple of bits could get a resurrection. Again, the no-fixed-forts rule is ruining my fun, I want direct-fire Long Toms from ambush!http://www.wk1963.at/austrianarmy
The side also links though to this one which provides a bunch of pictures that seem to have been taken for the express purpose of modelling old Austrian kit. Handy!