Proposal: f117 availability

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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby Desty » Wed 22 Jun 2016 13:54

Would also like to see the F15E changed to 2 per card and some AIM120s...but since that doesn´t seem to happen.
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(B5 can also go back to 2 with one card IMHO).
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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby molnibalage » Wed 22 Jun 2016 15:01

Desty wrote:Would also like to see the F15E changed to 2 per card and some AIM120s...but since that doesn´t seem to happen.
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(B5 can also go back to 2 with one card IMHO).

And of course with 50% ECM to F-15E.

2/card B-5 can be problematic, it makes easily spammable by SOVKOR with very strong SEAD support. A team on 4v4 maps could deleted whole sectors with massive B-5 strikes. You do not have to recon, just set up a good pattern for each B-5 and kill a whole city and forest. Only long range SAMs or at least SHORADs can work on B-5 or fighters...

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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby Razzmann » Wed 22 Jun 2016 15:03

molnibalage wrote:
Desty wrote:Would also like to see the F15E changed to 2 per card and some AIM120s...but since that doesn´t seem to happen.
+1

(B5 can also go back to 2 with one card IMHO).

And of course with 50% ECM to F-15E.

2/card B-5 can be problematic, it makes easily spammable by SOVKOR with very strong SEAD support. A team on 4v4 maps could deleted whole sectors with massive B-5 strikes. You do not have to recon, just set up a good pattern for each B-5 and kill a whole city and forest. Only long range SAMs or at least SHORADs can work on B-5 or fighters...

2 per card B-5 would be problematic but a 2 per card F-15E with 50% ECM not?

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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby Mike » Wed 22 Jun 2016 15:07

molnibalage wrote:
Desty wrote:Would also like to see the F15E changed to 2 per card and some AIM120s...but since that doesn´t seem to happen.
+1

(B5 can also go back to 2 with one card IMHO).

And of course with 50% ECM to F-15E.

2/card B-5 can be problematic, it makes easily spammable by SOVKOR with very strong SEAD support. A team on 4v4 maps could deleted whole sectors with massive B-5 strikes. You do not have to recon, just set up a good pattern for each B-5 and kill a whole city and forest. Only long range SAMs or at least SHORADs can work on B-5 or fighters...


How do you spam two planes? :lol:

Razzmann wrote:2 per card B-5 would be problematic but a 2 per card F-15E with 50% ECM not?


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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby molnibalage » Wed 22 Jun 2016 15:08

Razzmann wrote:
molnibalage wrote:
Desty wrote:Would also like to see the F15E changed to 2 per card and some AIM120s...but since that doesn´t seem to happen.
+1

(B5 can also go back to 2 with one card IMHO).

And of course with 50% ECM to F-15E.

2/card B-5 can be problematic, it makes easily spammable by SOVKOR with very strong SEAD support. A team on 4v4 maps could deleted whole sectors with massive B-5 strikes. You do not have to recon, just set up a good pattern for each B-5 and kill a whole city and forest. Only long range SAMs or at least SHORADs can work on B-5 or fighters...

2 per card B-5 would be problematic but a 2 per card F-15E with 50% ECM not?

Yes. Because F-15E flies deep into range any AAA or SAM, even MANPAD. So regardless of lower range with mor cheaper you have many more dicerolls or DMG/sec by AAA. B-5 is way hard to kill because of 15HP and very high alt. Most of your AD simply does not have to channce to launch and requires 3 hits with non heavy SAM to kill it instead two. You need almost longer range radar stuff which can be SEADable while you cannot supress Strela-10 or Igla.

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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby molnibalage » Wed 22 Jun 2016 15:09

Mike wrote:How do you spam two planes? :lol:

Spammed by a team. Lol...

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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby Razzmann » Wed 22 Jun 2016 15:11

You talk like ASFs do not exist...

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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby molnibalage » Wed 22 Jun 2016 15:19

Razzmann wrote:You talk like ASFs do not exist...

They exist but they also counterable with ASF. And SOVKOR has all USSR ASF.... The usable things against B-5 is less than F-15E beacause of simply the engagement range. I doubt Eugen ever will give AIM-120 to F-15 so with only heaters F-15E never shoot back as like a Su-27M...

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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby GARGEAN » Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:47

-1
We don't need more "erase unit" buttons.

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Re: Proposal: f117 availability

Postby ALEX8 » Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:54

I disagree, F117 is highly effective in low point tactical games. It would be unfair to redfor players if the availability of F117 increases. I am all in for 2 per card for F15D though. That would be an obvious choice.

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