Correcting certain tank availabilities

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Correcting certain tank availabilities

Postby urogard » Tue 5 Jul 2016 02:48

I've brought this issue up once before but never received genuine acknowledgement (nor a "no" either) so business as usual.

TL;DR: Once again overall PACT bias, with a bit of NATO bias chipped in, in tank availabilities

Base availabilities are as follows ordered by cost
Leopard 2 (80 pts) 10/7
AMX-40 (80 pts) 8/6 *
KPz T-72M1 (80 pts) 8/6 *
ZTZ-85-IIA (80pts) 8/6 *
M1IP Abrams (80 Pts) 10/7
T-72B1 (85 pts) 8/6 *
K1 (90 pts) 10/7 *
STRV 103D (90 pts) 8/6
T-72B (90 pts) 7/5 *
T-72M1M (90 pts) 7/5 *
Leopard 2A1 (100 pts) 8/6
T-64BM (100 pts) 8/6
T-80A (100 pts) 8/6
Challenger 1 Mk.1 (105 pts) 8/6
T-64BV1 (110 pts) 6/4
M1A1 Abrams (115 pts) 6/4
Challenger 1 Mk.2 (120 pts) 6/4
T-64BV (120 pts) 5/4 *
T-72S1 (120 pts) 6/4
T-72M2 WILK (120 pts) 6/4
Leopard 2A4 (130 pts) 5/4
Leopard 2A4 NL (145 pts) 4/3

Leclerc (165 pts) 3/2
T-72M1MOD (165 pts) 2/1 *
* mark outliers in availabilities as clearly not in line with their cost neighbours

So technically we get the following list of tanks where availabilities should be changed
AMX-40 => +2/+1
KPz T-72M1 => +2/+1
T-72BI => +2/+1
ZTZ-85-IIA => +2/+1
K1 => -1/-1
STRV 103D => +1/+0
T-72B => +2/+1
T-72M1M => +2/+1
T-64BV => +1/+0
T-72M1MOD => +1/+1


So instead of this
Spoiler : :
Leopard 2 (80 pts) 10/7
M1IP Abrams (80 Pts) 10/7
AMX-40 (80 pts) 8/6
KPz T-72M1 (80 pts) 8/6
ZTZ-85-IIA (80 pts) 8/6
T-72B1 (85 pts) 8/6
K1 (90 pts) 10/7
STRV 103D (90 pts) 8/6
T-72M1M (90 pts) 7/5
T-72B (90 pts) 7/5
Leopard 2A1 (100 pts) 8/6
T-80A (100 pts) 8/6
Challenger 1 Mk.1 (105 pts) 8/6
T-64BV1 (110 pts) 6/4
M1A1 Abrams (115 pts) 6/4
Challenger 1 Mk.2 (120 pts) 6/4
T-64BV (120 pts) 5/4
T-72S1 (120 pts) 6/4
T-72M2 WILK (120 pts) 6/4
Leclerc (165 pts) 3/2
T-72M1MOD (165 pts) 2/1


We end up with this
Spoiler : :
Leopard 2 (80 pts) 10/7
M1IP Abrams (80 Pts) 10/7
AMX-40 (80 pts) 10/7 => changed by (+2/+1)
KPz T-72M1 (80 pts) 10/7 => changed by (+2/+1)
ZTZ-85-IIA (80 pts) 10/7 => changed by (+2/+1)
T-72B1 (85 pts) 10/7 => changed by (+2/+1)
K1 (90 pts) 9/6 => changed by (-1/-1)
STRV 103D (90 pts) 9/6 => changed by (+1/+0)
T-72M1M (90 pts) 9/6 => changed by (+2/+1)
T-72B (90 pts) 9/6 => changed by (+2/+1)
Leopard 2A1 (100 pts) 8/6
T-80A (100 pts) 8/6
Challenger 1 Mk.1 (105 pts) 8/6
T-64BV1 (110 pts) 6/4
M1A1 Abrams (115 pts) 6/4
Challenger 1 Mk.2 (120 pts) 6/4
T-64BV (120 pts) 6/4 => changed by (+1/+0)
T-72S1 (120 pts) 6/4
T-72M2 WILK (120 pts) 6/4
Leclerc (165 pts) 3/2
T-72M1MOD (165 pts) 3/2


PS: This thread is not about discussing price of tanks, this is merely to highlight tanks which do not have the correct availability for their price bracket.
PS2: Chally 2 availability has been decided by EUG
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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Tue 5 Jul 2016 03:13

Only thing I wouldn't change is the K1 availability. Leave it high, Blue Dragons has very little going for them.
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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby codextero » Tue 5 Jul 2016 04:33

M1 IP is subpar for a 80 point tank, which is why it has it's old availability from when it was 75 points.

Same deal with K1, it was 85 points, and was nerfed to 90.

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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby Mister Maf » Tue 5 Jul 2016 08:20

Also Challenger 1 Mk.2 into mechanized with its new price pls.
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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby urogard » Tue 5 Jul 2016 09:08

codextero wrote:M1 IP is subpar for a 80 point tank, which is why it has it's old availability from when it was 75 points.

Same deal with K1, it was 85 points, and was nerfed to 90.

actually I could have sworn abrams had 12/10 but I'd have to go through my old posts for that.
anyways, no IP availability is correct. Since even the 75 price bracket has 10/7 as you can see from polish and cssr T-72 for 75 pts.

no one's arguing for a change on the abrams

However with the K1 it's tricky:
- either it had the correct availability before, in which case your point is right that price adjustment didn't carry over into availability adjustment, but that would prove that the other 85 point tanks still have incorrect availability and must be fixed
- or it didn't have the correct availability before, but then that's even more of a reason to fix the availability now

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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby LittleTinGod » Tue 5 Jul 2016 13:31

yeah this all looks good, but I agree on K1, leave it alone, makes sense for SK to have a lot of them for various reasons and gameplay
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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby Lord Helmchen » Tue 5 Jul 2016 14:53

Tbh I guess the K1 has a higher base avail because SK lacks any good tank before the K1. They only have these shitty M48s...meh.
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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby remilia019 » Tue 2 Aug 2016 17:15

Since its a reroll, can I request that 75~90pts (or at least 80~90pts) tanks have a bit of better availability? its completely outclassed by the 100~105 tanks which kinda bothers me how they have the same availability (most awkwardness come from T-72B1 and T-72B)

Mister Maf wrote:Also Challenger 1 Mk.2 into mechanized with its new price pls.


T-72S1 too please

(I also miss the ZTZ-85-III in Mech but I guess that one's too good for Mech. . . X'D ) good days for Red Dragon Mech back then
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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby urogard » Tue 2 Aug 2016 22:22

remilia019 wrote:(I also miss the ZTZ-85-III in Mech but I guess that one's too good for Mech. . . X'D ) good days for Red Dragon Mech back then

Did they finally fix that one? like a year after the original reroll

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Re: Rerolling certain medium tank availabilities

Postby remilia019 » Thu 4 Aug 2016 05:07

urogard wrote:
remilia019 wrote:(I also miss the ZTZ-85-III in Mech but I guess that one's too good for Mech. . . X'D ) good days for Red Dragon Mech back then

Did they finally fix that one? like a year after the original reroll

Yeah they had, its now Armored only.
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