Iran Redfor (F-14 in redfor!)

[ardi223]

yep I'm pretty sure since Shir 1 was going to be the name of Chally 1 which was plan to montaged in Iran but never did.Chiefain mk5 was definitly in service during Iran-Iraq war and it's worthlessness were proven to the world.
Now that u mentioned it,even chally 1 can be in Iran deck as a prototype.

[FrangibleCover]

it's worthlessness were proven to the world.

Go on, I'm genuinely interested...

The mechanical reliability was pretty poor, I suspect worse when cut off from sources of spare parts, but unreliability doesn't make a tank worthless in itself. Did Iran have issues with them in combat too or were the mechanical issues so great that they never made it ?

[ardi223]

it's worthlessness were proven to the world.

Go on, I'm genuinely interested...

The mechanical reliability was pretty poor, I suspect worse when cut off from sources of spare parts, but unreliability doesn't make a tank worthless in itself. Did Iran have issues with them in combat too or were the mechanical issues so great that they never made it ?

I meant uselessness in combat we had no problem maintaining them.

[FrangibleCover]

it's worthlessness were proven to the world.

Go on, I'm genuinely interested...

The mechanical reliability was pretty poor, I suspect worse when cut off from sources of spare parts, but unreliability doesn't make a tank worthless in itself. Did Iran have issues with them in combat too or were the mechanical issues so great that they never made it ?

I meant uselessness in combat we had no problem maintaining them.

We never had much of a chance to stretch their legs in combat, thank god. Do you have some sources I could read about their total inability to beat T-55s and crap T-72s?

[ardi223]

yep it's in persian though.the report of destroyed Tanks/armored vehicles lost during the war.the article state that we lost nearly 100 Chiefains in tank battle

[Sleksa]

We never had much of a chance to stretch their legs in combat, thank god. Do you have some sources I could read about their total inability to beat T-55s and crap T-72s?

Some Finnish military literature cites the T-72's coming out well ahead of chieftains in the iran-iraq war

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/t-72-combat.htm

[FrangibleCover]

We never had much of a chance to stretch their legs in combat, thank god. Do you have some sources I could read about their total inability to beat T-55s and crap T-72s?

Some Finnish military literature cites the T-72's coming out well ahead of chieftains in the iran-iraq war

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/t-72-combat.htm

Hey, cool. It's an interesting conflict about which I know too little.

[Vulcan 607]

yep it's in persian though.the report of destroyed Tanks/armored vehicles lost during the war.the article state that we lost nearly 100 Chiefains in tank battle

They did fine for Kuwait well the ones that were not captured.
As for Iranian tanks seems engine trouble was the main problem also looks like Iran got automatic gearboxes would be interested to know if these worked.

But don't worry about the gun this is the same gun on the challenger 1 that got the longest tank kill in history

[Vulcan 607]

We never had much of a chance to stretch their legs in combat, thank god. Do you have some sources I could read about their total inability to beat T-55s and crap T-72s?

Some Finnish military literature cites the T-72's coming out well ahead of chieftains in the iran-iraq war

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/t-72-combat.htm

Would be interested to see if that had to do with the west providing better support such as training to Iraq during the war

[CommanderDef]

it's worthlessness were proven to the world.

Go on, I'm genuinely interested...

The mechanical reliability was pretty poor, I suspect worse when cut off from sources of spare parts, but unreliability doesn't make a tank worthless in itself. Did Iran have issues with them in combat too or were the mechanical issues so great that they never made it ?

Give anything to those people, they won't use it right... Today it's Saudi Abrams and Turkish Leos getting screwed by soviet made ATGMs and other stuff.

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