Making helirush tactics illegal

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Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby FoxZz » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:32

Helirush tactics are a real cancer killing the fun, and the fairness in the games, it's like if doping products were allowed in the olympic games.

Recently heli rushing has become even more widespread, even in tournaments (cf. Vulvan Tournament), and is begining to be a common practice, as soon as one side is losing he starts heli-rushing the other, when it's not a straight opening heli rush.

So the solution is the following, making heli-rush illegal in the same way as insults, map-hacking, team killing.

So if one players heli-rush another one killing its cvs, etc, than the victim can report the agressor with a replay proof, to the dedicated thread, and the helirusher will eventually be banned from multiplayer.

Banning those tactics is the only solution. Indeed, any attempt to fix heli-rushing will either not be efficient enough, either will badly affect the gameplay of helos when played normaly and harm the balance.

I'm calling Eugen to end this cancer that is killing its game.
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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby Razzmann » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:38

FoxZz wrote:A good first step would be to ban Random and Hunter, just saying.

Should not be Marshals, really....

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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby Markenzwieback » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:38

As much as I would like to see this, its highly impractical. Eugen would need to define what exactly a helo rush is and where heavy helicopter use (aka airborne deck) stops and helo rushing / helo cheese starts.

Only viable solution would be to ban helo rushes from tournaments by enacting a rule of x amount of starting points are the maximum one side is allowed to spend in helos. This would at least prevent helicopter opening rushes.
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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby throwaway » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:40

Lol. Banning people retroactively? Come on.

Helorushing in the tourny was 90% the fault of vulcan for setting up the rules the way he did. Random played the tourny the way the organizer meant it to be played, everyone else did not, blame the organizer for his ignorance of the meta, not Random for highlighting that ignorance. If random is guilty of anything it's of being clueless and not stopping/resigning after giving vulcan and part of the broader community a taste of reality.

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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby kvasius » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:42

Not defending cheese helorush brings to the game,
but if we are going to ban every single played who helorushed even once his his playtime....
there will be no players playing wargame.
Like, I literally dont know a player, that would not helorush even once.

Other than that, read marken's and throwaway points.
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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby SmallWhaler » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:43

I like the reddit idea of giving FOB some AA manpads capacity. It would make top helirush to spawn a way harder trick to use.

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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby FoxZz » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:45

Helirush would be when helicopters are used deliberatly to kill all the CVs on the map, or are used like a swarm on their own to rekt the oppening column.

Everybody knows how to recognize a toxic helo rush, and make the differance with a gameplay based on helicopters, when it doesn't serve gameplay, it's helo rush. But it would be Eugen decision.

It would work with warning before a complete ban.

Risking to be banned for heli-rushing gonna quicly stop the wannabe.

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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby kvasius » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:54

FoxZz wrote:Helirush would be when helicopters are used deliberatly to kill all the CVs on the map, or are used like a swarm on their own to rekt the oppening column.

Everybody knows how to recognize a toxic helo rush, and make the differance with a gameplay based on helicopters, when it doesn't serve gameplay, it's helo rush. But it would be Eugen decision.

It would work with warning before a complete ban.

Risking to be banned for heli-rushing gonna quicly stop the wannabe.


>implied Eugen will make that decision

It will require A LOT bigger moderation team than Eugen currently has. Which will lead to less financing for DLC/new wargame/*insert_eugen_plans* and its raising cost (in best case). In worst case.... :cry:

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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby throwaway » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:56

SmallWhaler wrote:I like the reddit idea of giving FOB some AA manpads capacity. It would make top helirush to spawn a way harder trick to use.


Right, I'm more interested in discussing ways eugen can legitimately fix helorushing without eliminating cheap helos. FOB AA was a cool idea. Currently most rocket planes can reliably oneshot a FOB, and helo swarms are notoriously hard to affect by fire from individual AA units (because it focuses on 1-2 helos and the rest of the swarm is unaffected), but it would make it a lot easier depending on implementation.

Razzmann was also playing CMW which I think is the only faction lacking a spammable 10-15pt anti-helorush SPAAG, which is a gap that could be worth filling.

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Re: Making helirush tactics illegal

Postby kvasius » Wed 13 Jul 2016 15:59

throwaway wrote:
SmallWhaler wrote:I like the reddit idea of giving FOB some AA manpads capacity. It would make top helirush to spawn a way harder trick to use.


Right, I'm more interested in discussing ways eugen can legitimately fix helorushing without eliminating cheap helos. FOB AA was a cool idea. Currently most rocket planes can reliably oneshot a FOB, and helo swarms are notoriously hard to affect by fire from individual AA units (because it focuses on 1-2 helos and the rest of the swarm is unaffected), but it would make it a lot easier depending on implementation.


Another good idea is giving AAHMG's of tanks and vehicles 1575m range vs helo's, so flying over armored column would not end well for the pilots.

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