NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

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Re: NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Fri 22 Jul 2016 18:10

Markenzwieback wrote:Red barret also stands for paratroopers and not only special forces, so Hativat HaTzanhanim?

Tzanhanim it is indeed ... ;)

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Re: NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

Postby Eukie » Fri 22 Jul 2016 19:12

[EUG]MadMat wrote:
Markenzwieback wrote:Red barret also stands for paratroopers and not only special forces, so Hativat HaTzanhanim?

Tzanhanim it is indeed ... ;)


Some roughly period-appropriate info on the Tzanhanim for curious Wargame players:

The Tzanhanim comprise three all-volunteer batallions (202nd, 890th, Na'ha'l 50th) and three brigades of reservists. Their basic infantry training lasts four months, upon the completion of which recruits are considers Riflemen Class 3 and given their distinctive maroon-red berets. This is followed by two months of specialised training in platoons with assigned weapon roles, and deploying from APCs and helicopters. Upon completetion the recruits are Riflemen Class 5. They now attend jump school to become, officially, paratroopers. Their final training involves operations with their unit and squad leader training. Tzanhanim squads would carry Uzis, Galil SAR, CAR-15's, M16's (with optional M203), RPG-7's, 52mm mortars, FN MAGs, and backpacks stuffed full of rifle grenades as their weapons.

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Re: NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

Postby nomeansyes » Fri 22 Jul 2016 19:58

Eukie wrote:
[EUG]MadMat wrote:
Markenzwieback wrote:Red barret also stands for paratroopers and not only special forces, so Hativat HaTzanhanim?

Tzanhanim it is indeed ... ;)


Some roughly period-appropriate info on the Tzanhanim for curious Wargame players:

The Tzanhanim comprise three all-volunteer batallions (202nd, 890th, Na'ha'l 50th) and three brigades of reservists. Their basic infantry training lasts four months, upon the completion of which recruits are considers Riflemen Class 3 and given their distinctive maroon-red berets. This is followed by two months of specialised training in platoons with assigned weapon roles, and deploying from APCs and helicopters. Upon completetion the recruits are Riflemen Class 5. They now attend jump school to become, officially, paratroopers. Their final training involves operations with their unit and squad leader training. Tzanhanim squads would carry Uzis, Galil SAR, CAR-15's, M16's (with optional M203), RPG-7's, 52mm mortars, FN MAGs, and backpacks stuffed full of rifle grenades as their weapons.


Confirmed 15 man squad with CAR-15's/RPG7/Mk19 SF? =)

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Re: NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

Postby Tiera » Fri 22 Jul 2016 21:01

General Mig wrote:what is that stuff?

Like a lot of things in the Balkans, it depends on whom you ask:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slivovitz
To be consumed with the associated toast about living long and prospering: Zivjeli/Živeli + all other grammatical variations...
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Postby XanderTuron » Sat 23 Jul 2016 01:24

I for one eagerly await our new Israeli overlords, at least until Finland and Yugoslavia take over that role.
My mouth is moving, but nothing relevant is coming out. Also I cannot guarantee that my research is perfect or even remotely accurate.

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Re: NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

Postby McNash » Sat 23 Jul 2016 09:01

Just show us the merkava!
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Re: NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

Postby Eukie » Sat 23 Jul 2016 10:48

McNash wrote:Just show us the merkava!


Which Merkava? There are like nine of them.

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Postby LTSarcasm » Sat 23 Jul 2016 12:22

In my opinion, the Merk shouldn't be some ubertank like some are expecting it to be. Merk was always made to be a very cost-effective vehicle, reliable, relatively easy to repair, and decent performance. There's a reason early Merkavas are basically M60s with a new hull and turret. Would appreciate something that instead of being amazing 1 on 1 for its bracket would instead just be very cost effective - sort of like the C2 MEXAS. Not the best tank in the game for being a CAT A prototype armor unit, but extremely cost effective.

That said, as to models I'd happily donate money to a model fund of some sort. Even when you make mistakes you try and work isn't free.

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Re: NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

Postby Alex101 » Sat 23 Jul 2016 14:33

LTSarcasm wrote:In my opinion, the Merk shouldn't be some ubertank like some are expecting it to be. Merk was always made to be a very cost-effective vehicle, reliable, relatively easy to repair, and decent performance. There's a reason early Merkavas are basically M60s with a new hull and turret.

The Merkava is many things, but it was never an M60 with a new hull and turret.

The entire purpose of the Merkava, from its inception, was to supply superior armor protection. While the U.S. was seeking superior mobility and horsepower-to-weight ratios, and the Germans were developing a superior gun (which later became NATO and even Israeli standard), the Israelis created a tank with the engine in front - so that even if the armor failed and was breached, a shot was more likely to take out the engine than the crew. They created a bolt-on armor system to make repairs and upgrades easy to incorporate. Each generation of the Merkava since, even as they have added more horsepower and superior firepower, continued to fine tune the armored protection. That is why the Merkava deploys the latest in protection today - the Trophy, while the U.S. has struggled to field a similar system.

This was a conscious design decision. For a small nation like Israel, the crew is valuable than the tank.

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Re: NATION PACK: ISRAEL preview

Postby Caterpillar » Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:11

Who's doing the voice-over?

Me and my friends are serving and each has a voice that would fit different units :)
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