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Postby Razzmann » Thu 6 Oct 2016 12:05

codextero wrote:
Bullfrog wrote:Is the only difference between 75 and 90s inf unit their AT now?


Fusiliers and Diggers get better machine guns, Rovavit actually gets a worse machine gun in the MAG vs FALO.

MAG is better than FALO.

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Postby Gorganhound » Thu 6 Oct 2016 14:16

Razzmann wrote:
codextero wrote:
Bullfrog wrote:Is the only difference between 75 and 90s inf unit their AT now?


Fusiliers and Diggers get better machine guns, Rovavit actually gets a worse machine gun in the MAG vs FALO.

MAG is better than FALO.

What are Diggers 90 like with the line variant of the minimi?
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Postby Richard » Thu 20 Oct 2016 22:11

Can somebody tell me where to find the spreadsheet with the MG stats? Maybe already reflecting the buff on the elite MG3.

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Postby JoonasTo » Fri 2 Dec 2016 18:01

I did some tables for the current MG stats. Minimi and MG3 are by far the best choices. Funnily enough KK62 that the Finns use is excellent for scouring forests because of good first contact potential but kinda sucks for defending towns, coincidence? :D

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Full table at the last tab

Please point out and/or fix mistakes if you see any.

And yes, RPK-74, LMG944, Bren and Falo lines are worse than the stats make them out to be because with short bursts they are more likely to suffer from panicked reload time increase faster, than the longer burst ones, making them less reliable, even if they have good DPS.


Oh and yeah, Canadian Airborne/Pathfinders and Norrlandsjägare still have wrong MG stats.
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Postby Razzmann » Fri 2 Dec 2016 19:55

JoonasTo wrote:And yes, RPK-74, LMG944, Bren and Falo lines are worse than the stats make them out to be because with short bursts they are more likely to suffer from panicked reload time increase faster, than the longer burst ones, making them less reliable, even if they have good DPS.

I keep telling people this, but some just do not want to listen :oops:

Also, the L86 stayed the same? :D they "nerfed its RoF recently, but I had the feeling it only buffed the ammo consumption (never bothered testing though). And people deemed Fusilier 90s to be shit after this :lol:

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Postby KattiValk » Fri 2 Dec 2016 20:03

JoonasTo wrote:V44rAZ.png]IMAGE[/url]
Are those just raw stats using base accuracy or are they range/vet scaled too?

Also, Minimi and Negev share the same damage model?

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Postby JoonasTo » Fri 2 Dec 2016 20:03

Ah, I just planted L86 into the RPK group out of memory, that might indeed have a different stat now.
Somebody needs to check the actual values for that. I'm sure nande will wander in soon enough. :D

Without range or veterancy. There's too many veterancy levels to make a suitable comparison, you can start with 3 different levels of the same infantry depending on circumstances. This is just a fast sheet for comparing weapons between same level units. The suppression isn't a game value either, just a value for relative comparison.

If you want exact values, you can just remake the new infantry sheet page.
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Postby urogard » Fri 2 Dec 2016 22:07

could someone look at the new rpd? was there any significant change?

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Postby Bougnas » Fri 2 Dec 2016 22:49

urogard wrote:could someone look at the new rpd? was there any significant change?


It's just a standardized MG, thus 10% additionnal accuracy and 5% additionnal stabs compared to the previous version that had 30/15 (40/20 now).

I ´d say that for 30pts they are acually useful now.
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Postby JoonasTo » Fri 2 Dec 2016 23:15

Razzmann wrote:
JoonasTo wrote:And yes, RPK-74, LMG944, Bren and Falo lines are worse than the stats make them out to be because with short bursts they are more likely to suffer from panicked reload time increase faster, than the longer burst ones, making them less reliable, even if they have good DPS.

I keep telling people this, but some just do not want to listen :oops:

Also, the L86 stayed the same? :D they "nerfed its RoF recently, but I had the feeling it only buffed the ammo consumption (never bothered testing though). And people deemed Fusilier 90s to be shit after this :lol:

They did change the L86, I'm looking at it right now and it has a longer reload time of 2s instead of 1,4. Good catch, I'll fix that.
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