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Re: MG rebalance complete list

Postby Mako » Fri 2 Dec 2016 23:29

Fusies would still be good if they had no mg with that LAWL-80
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Postby JoonasTo » Fri 2 Dec 2016 23:58

Updated the L86 and the KG m/37 with the correct stats.

Updated the links in the last page also
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Postby Mister Maf » Sat 3 Dec 2016 01:24

JoonasTo wrote:Updated the L86 and the KG m/37 with the correct stats.

Updated the links in the last page also

So what I'm seeing is that the L86 and C2A1 blow now and Diggers '90 are god tier by line infantry standards?
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Postby JoonasTo » Sat 3 Dec 2016 01:51

Mister Maf wrote:
JoonasTo wrote:Updated the L86 and the KG m/37 with the correct stats.

Updated the links in the last page also

So what I'm seeing is that the L86 and C2A1 blow now and Diggers '90 are god tier by line infantry standards?

The L86 has the same DPS as RPK but due to it's low burst length it's very volatile. So yeah, it's bad.

Same thing with the C2A1 the Pathfinders are using, it's crap. The Canadian Airborne C2A1 is still pretty decent though, not sure if the Pathfinders have the shock version or the Airborne the Elite version but regardless one of them is definitely wrong. Let's hope Eugen will decide to normalize it to the FALO accuracy, god knows Pathfinders need all the help they can get and Norad doesn't need another nerf.

Minimi is the best MG in the game, period.
At 15 pt and 16AP Diggers are pretty costly though. Sure they'll beat any line infantry they come up against but pretty much all shock infantry will wipe the floor with them and with Commandos '90 available for 20pt I don't know why you'd ever buy them.
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Postby codextero » Sat 3 Dec 2016 02:59

JoonasTo wrote:Minimi is the best MG in the game, period.
At 15 pt and 16AP Diggers are pretty costly though. Sure they'll beat any line infantry they come up against but pretty much all shock infantry will wipe the floor with them and with Commandos '90 available for 20pt I don't know why you'd ever buy them.


l.MG3 is still overall a lot better because of that sweet 55 suppression, especially on Battle rifle units.

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Postby orcbuster » Sat 3 Dec 2016 03:42

Yeah, not to mention the fact that BRs are a much more important factor than MGs in typical forest inf engagements.
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Postby JoonasTo » Sat 3 Dec 2016 04:35

If you want tiers it's like this

Excellent:
Minimi, Negev, Stoner
MG3, M53 Sarac

Very Good:
KvKK, Colt LMG

Good:
RPK-74, Lada-RPK, Type 81
RPK, M78
LMG944, Galil Arm

Medium:
Standardised MGs

Bad:
FALO, C2A1 Airborne variant
L86

Poor:
Bren L4, Type 73, C2A1 Pathfinder variant
KG m/37


Yeah if your infantry has a 55 suppression MG and you can pick between an SMG, AR and a BR, always go with the BR first, AR second, SMG last because the combined suppression is very important in forests. BR+MG3 is especially good.

Carbine is also the best weapon you can get for your infantry so if you have choice between a carbine and anything else, get the carbine. Carbine+Minimi beats BR+MG3.
Numbers say Carbine+MG3 should beat Carbine+Minimi but I'm not 100% certain on that. Someone should test that out.
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Postby Killertomato » Sat 3 Dec 2016 04:50

What an... interesting group of MGs in each category.
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Re: MG rebalance complete list

Postby JoonasTo » Sat 3 Dec 2016 05:32

I never really looked at the Colt LMG before so I never realized it's actually pretty damn good at first contact, surprising to say the least. Was it always this good but just hiding behind the US marines? :lol:

And yeah, L86 and Falo look better than the Standardized MGs at first glance but the lack of first contact potential really lets them down.
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Re: MG rebalance complete list

Postby Tiera » Sat 3 Dec 2016 10:16

Killertomato wrote:What an... interesting group of MGs in each category.

US MG Hollywood memes confirmed. :mrgreen:
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