Israel patriot missile

[Mako]

The Longbow is kind of a BS unit for balance purposes, it essentially screws over a bunch of helicopters by forcing AA to be capable of dealing with it, making AA hyper effective against weaker helicopters.

Yeah the Hinds with their 10HP or the KA-52 with its Sead Missiles are defiantly not helping make hyper effective AA.

Unless you're shooting things with Hawks, 8 vs 10 HP makes no difference.

It's still 2 htk


Also, lol at SEAD missiles.

[QUAD]

The Longbow is kind of a BS unit for balance purposes, it essentially screws over a bunch of helicopters by forcing AA to be capable of dealing with it, making AA hyper effective against weaker helicopters.

Yeah the Hinds with their 10HP or the KA-52 with its Sead Missiles are defiantly not helping make hyper effective AA.

Unless you're shooting things with Hawks, 8 vs 10 HP makes no difference.

It's still 2 htk


Also, lol at SEAD missiles.

SPAAG though.

[Mako]

Yeah the Hinds with their 10HP or the KA-52 with its Sead Missiles are defiantly not helping make hyper effective AA.

Unless you're shooting things with Hawks, 8 vs 10 HP makes no difference.

It's still 2 htk


Also, lol at SEAD missiles.

SPAAG though.

Are not the primary helo killing method, long range missiles are, like the Tung-M and Crotale and Chap A3.

But yes, it does marginally impact SPAAGs a whole 25% TTK

Which, is less than 25% actual effectiveness since they will invariable stun a helicopter before it's killed, meaning 10 vs 8 hp is not 25% more survivable, it just dances around like a drunken whale for another second before dying.


Obviously there are situations where the difference will matter, my point is that they are not worth considering as consequential.

[Mephistopheles]

Israel is already lacking in AA ...

Yes, let's make Israel an equivalent to USSR/USA.

Its about balancing. A lot of nations didnt get units they actually do have like alreeady pointed out...no patriots for germany and no Bradleys with stingers or even LAV-AD for USA and so on. If its about realism than especially PACT would suffer a lot since they only got the monkey versions of T72

[Mako]

Israel *is* about equivalent to the USA/USSR on a tactical level, they have a stupidly large arms industry (especially compared to their size and population) and some pretty great access to US technology.

They also have a whole lot more combat experience than either of the two, due to the whole, fighting multiple conventional wars unlike either super power.

Now the Merkavas are overmodeled, but both realistically and according to Eugen's decision on making Israel stand alone, they should be comparable in warame.

[Killertomato]

Israel *is* about equivalent to the USA/USSR on a tactical level, they have a stupidly large arms industry (especially compared to their size and population) and some pretty great access to US technology.

People forget that wargame is unit vs. unit and not entire nation vs. entire nation.

[Fade2Gray]

Now the Merkavas are overmodeled, but both realistically and according to Eugen's decision on making Israel stand alone, they should be comparable in warame.

You know, considering the Blue Dragons, they have functional enough tanks, AA, AND artillery support. The Type 10 is a vicious tank in its own right. With this in mind, I can't help but wonder if they could have balanced it in another way?

Bloc and Scandi don't have tanks of top FAV tier, but they are just fine. Same goes for the Blue Dragons(barring the shit infantry), so I'm kinda lost as to defending the over modeling of the Merkava.

[GARGEAN]

USSR has KAB-500 since 1976, let's give it to them. It had KAB-1500L since 1981, let's give it to them. It has 2S4 since 1972, let's give it to them. It has OTR-21 since 1975, let's. S-300V since 1983, let's. Buk-M2 since 1988, let's. Shturm-S with 9M120 since 1986, let's. Let's, let's, let's, let's...

In this game dudes get their toys not because they had them IRL. But because of.

[Razzmann]

The Longbow is kind of a BS unit for balance purposes, it essentially screws over a bunch of helicopters by forcing AA to be capable of dealing with it, making AA hyper effective against weaker helicopters.

Yeah the Hinds with their 10HP or the KA-52 with its Sead Missiles are defiantly not helping make hyper effective AA.

Ka-52 can be baited and the HP on Hinds only really makes a difference when helorushing.

[Leviathan]

The Longbow is kind of a BS unit for balance purposes, it essentially screws over a bunch of helicopters by forcing AA to be capable of dealing with it, making AA hyper effective against weaker helicopters.

Yeah the Hinds with their 10HP or the KA-52 with its Sead Missiles are defiantly not helping make hyper effective AA.

Ka-52 can be baited and the HP on Hinds only really makes a difference when helorushing.

yes. If any helo deserves 10 than it's the Hind.

As long as there's online gaming people will exploit certain game mechanics for cheese tactics to gain easy wins- mentality will never be fixed by nerfing individual units. People will just move on to the next cheese. Man, we've seen a lot of cheesy rushes since the start of EE, lol. The downfall of T-55 stun-train rushes just gave birth to the prevalance of autocannons and flame tanks burning the world without LOS...

mote OT: Judging from the youtube content I've seen so far most players that have early access to the DLC evolved a special hate relationship to Israeli AA, though. Firestarter and his Drakons, for example.
I sguess Israeli AA-sadness will serve as a mighty counter argument for any nerfs on other weapon systems.
I fear we all will have to adapt to the Shenaz