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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby Azaz3l » Mon 3 Oct 2016 12:28

SuperEvilMegaNazi wrote:
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danielbr14 wrote:Israel is already lacking in AA ...

Yes, let's make Israel an equivalent to USSR/USA.


Its about balancing. A lot of nations didnt get units they actually do have like alreeady pointed out...no patriots for germany and no Bradleys with stingers or even LAV-AD for USA and so on. If its about realism than especially PACT would suffer a lot since they only got the monkey versions of T72

I don't see Blue/Red dragons, Landjut, Netherlands-Germany coalitions being equal to USSR/USA superpowers, nor I see why Israel should be as well.
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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby morpher » Mon 3 Oct 2016 12:31

Azaz3l wrote:I don't see Blue/Red dragons, Landjut, Netherlands-Germany coalitions being equal to USSR/USA superpowers, nor I see why Israel should be as well.


They should all be competitive with the superpowers.

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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby ardi223 » Mon 3 Oct 2016 13:52

morpher wrote:
Azaz3l wrote:I don't see Blue/Red dragons, Landjut, Netherlands-Germany coalitions being equal to USSR/USA superpowers, nor I see why Israel should be as well.


They should all be competitive with the superpowers.

China and north Korea are competitive with superpowers?
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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby Razzmann » Mon 3 Oct 2016 13:56

ardi223 wrote:
morpher wrote:
Azaz3l wrote:I don't see Blue/Red dragons, Landjut, Netherlands-Germany coalitions being equal to USSR/USA superpowers, nor I see why Israel should be as well.


They should all be competitive with the superpowers.

China and north Korea are competitive with superpowers?

*should*

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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby Yakhont » Mon 3 Oct 2016 13:58

Israel is its own faction; the implication is it is supposed to be a Superpower tier deck.
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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby DeckCheney » Mon 3 Oct 2016 14:11

Mako wrote:Unless you're shooting things with Hawks, 8 vs 10 HP makes no difference.

It's still 2 htk


Also, lol at SEAD missiles.


HP upwards of 6 makes a huge difference.

6HP can still be 1-shot by 4HE crit (Everything from an Igła upwards)
8HP can be 1-shot by 6HE crit (Crotale, Charpaal, Roland 3, TY-90)
10HP can be 1-shot by 7HE crit (Tunguska, ADATS, Stormer, NSAMS, OSA, TOR)

With most AA systems hovering at 60% accuracy, crits are fairly common, and 10HP is a rather big deal.
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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby Mighty_Zuk » Mon 3 Oct 2016 14:13

If Israel, or any other coalition for that matter, have produced enough types of vehicles and weapons that fit within the timeframe of the game, then they should be superpower-tier. Because a country's size doesn't matter in game.

Stats are based on realistic capabilities, and availability is balance-dictated. So the size of a country or population is not a factor here.

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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby Mephistopheles » Mon 3 Oct 2016 14:38

Mighty_Zuk wrote:If Israel, or any other coalition for that matter, have produced enough types of vehicles and weapons that fit within the timeframe of the game, then they should be superpower-tier. Because a country's size doesn't matter in game.

Stats are based on realistic capabilities, and availability is balance-dictated. So the size of a country or population is not a factor here.


Major countries on in WG: Red Dragon have produced enough types of vehicles and weaopons thatr fit within the time frame:

UK
France
Germany
Sweden
China

all lot of the existing vehicles and weapons availble to those country are not availbale or availble for only one country. listed countries are also major exporters of military equipment. All of these nations have huge shortcommings in specific fields while its not or not that much the case with USA, USSR and from what we know about the coming israel DLC
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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby KattiValk » Mon 3 Oct 2016 14:46

Leviathan wrote:yes. If any helo deserves 10 than it's the Hind.
Its engines are really close together and the thing already tanks .50 cal like a champ. It really, really doesn't deserve 10 HP. A MANPAD through the exhaust would drop a Hind just as well as a Blackhawk, hell, considering all the double engined helicopters that get bonus HP, the Blackhawk probably deserves it more because the engines are actually fairly spaced apart unlike Hips or Hinds.

Yes, a Hip troop compartment is some great spaced armor, and I don't think the Hip needs to have an HP nerf, but Hinds should be 7-8 HP.

If any helicopter deserves 10 HP, it's the Mi-28, all other helicopters need not apply.

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Re: Israel patriot missile

Postby another505 » Mon 3 Oct 2016 15:01

Back about 10 hp hind?

Give me a reason why fixed planes have 10 hp too
Or how realistic is a10 taking 3 buk shots

Is just gameplay
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