Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby fox_the_apprentice » Tue 15 Aug 2017 01:20

Sonki3 wrote:Ok thx.

I was not trying to be a pain in the ass. It was not my intention.

Thank you for the precise answer.


No problem! We used to get a lot of troll posts on that at the peak of forum activity, so forgive our skepticism. :oops:

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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby Stillehavet » Mon 21 Aug 2017 11:03

#Global
- Bell 206 & OH-58 series should be two-bladed, not four. Except OH-58D, they have two-bladed rotor system.
Spoiler : List :
#US
OH-58C Kiowa
#CAN
CH-136
#SWE
Hkp 6A
#ANZ
Bell 206
#ISR
Sayfan PIKUD
Sayfan
#FIN
Jet Ranger

- RBS 70 series(include RBS 90=RBS 70 Mk.2) should be [SALH].
SAAB wrote:http://saab.com/land/weapon-systems/gro ... RBS_70_NG/
HOW IT ALL BEGAN
RBS 70 development studies started over 40 years ago. By 1978 Generation 1 was in service. With an effective intercept range against incoming targets of 5 kilometres, and altitude coverage of more than 2,000 metres, it was a unique product. Its unjammable guidance with laser beam riding missile was one of the first military laser applications and ensured it could perform in cluttered environments.

- FOB flag problems are fixed. You can remove this.
- Command version of UH-1's speed is lower than transport version.
- RPG-7 & RPG-7V: Wrong caliber. RPG-7 of 83mm warhead doesn't exist.
- In helicopters, "Very small" size hit roll factor have a problem. Mostly -0.2(*0.8), but some of them have -0.1(*0.9).
Spoiler : -0.1 Very Small Helicopters list :
#FR
Gazzele 342M HOT 2 -0.1
#FRG
Bo 105M/VGH -0.1
Bo 105P/BSH -0.1
Bo 105P/PAH-1 -0.1
Bo 105P/PAH-1A1 -0.1
#SWE
PvHkp 9A -0.1
#HOL
Bo-105CB -0.1
#ISR
Sayfan PIKUD -0.05(Small)

#URSS
Mi-2 -0.1
#RDA
AHS Mi-2 -0.1
#POL
Mi-2D Przetacznik -0.1
Mi-2Ro -0.1
Mi-2 URP-G Gniewosz -0.1
Mi-2 URS -0.1
Mi-2 US -0.1
Mi-2 URN Żmija -0.1
Mi-2 URP Salamandra -0.1
Mi-2T -0.1
#TCH
Mi-2 -0.1
#NK
Mi-2D -0.1
Mi-2 -0.1
#YUG
HK-41 Komandni -0.1

- F-104 variants ECM and TOT should match each other. Also, they should have 0% ECM. Because F-104 seems to didn't have any chaff/flare dispencer, except W-German F-104G. However, all F-104 can't take chaff/flare dispencer because F-104G's countermeasure installation program is started in 1979(Not 1960s).
http://www.fly-navy.de/jets/f104.html
1982 saw the first major combat improvements to be incorporated into MFG 2's airframes. Amongst other changes, Luftwaffenschleuse 11 added a chaff/flare equipment to the remaining 47 aircraft of MFG 2.

http://www.916-starfighter.de/F104_Chaf ... 202011.htm
21+13 (construction number 6662) was selected as trial aircraft and was transferred to MBB on January 29, 1979 to MBB, the installation and modification at MBB started on February 21, 1979.
Initially ErpSt 61 made 8 flights to test the stability and performance through the full flight envelope.
In the second period all modes of the dispensing system and the effectiveness was tested. These tests were flown at MFG 2 at Eggebek.
Luftwaffenschleuse 11 of LVR 1 (Luftwaffenversorgungsregiment 1) added the AN/ALE-40(N) Chaff/Flare countermeasure dispenser equipment to the remaining 48 aircraft of MFG 2 according to tech order TA-1469.
Luftwaffenschleuse 11 started the modification of the pattern aircraft from MFG 2 on March 9, 1982. The installation of the components was completed on May 11, 1982. In 1982 16 aircraft were modified, in 1983 24 aircraft and in 1984 the remaining 7 aircraft.

Spoiler : F-104 variants list :
#FRG
F-104G Starfighter(#NAV): 1960, ECM 0%, TOT 90s
#CAN
CF-104 Starfighter: 1962, ECM 0%, TOT 75s
#NOR
CF-104: 1973, ECM 10%, TOT 75s
F-104G Starfighter: 1974, ECM 0%, TOT 90s
#DAN
CF-104: 1962, ECM 0%, TOT 90s
#JAP
F-104J Ryu: 1962, ECM 20%, TOT 90s
#HOL
F-104G: 1962, ECM 10%, TOT 90s


#US
- M1 Abrams's track is upside down
- M1IP Abrams's track is upside down
- M1A1 Abrams's track is upside down
- M1A1[HA] Abrams's track is upside down
- M1A1[HC] Abrams's track is upside down
- M1A2 Abrams's track is upside down
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#FRG
- Fernspaher(#REC): W-Germany never used M72. Should have PzF 44.
- Tornado IDS: Mauser BK-27's name should be Twin Mauser BK-27.

#NOR
- LHV's Krag-Jørgensen caliber should be 6.5mm, not 7.5mm.
- RBS 70 Mk.2 should be RBS 70 Mk.1. RBS 70 Mk.2 is same as RBS 90, and Norway used RBS 70 Mk.1. Exclude the name, there's no need to fix status.
SAAB wrote:http://saab.com/land/weapon-systems/gro ... RBS_70_NG/
1982 saw the second generation RBS 70 developed with increased area coverage and by 1990, the third generation was introduced. The Mk II missile, Clip-On Night Device (COND) and Battlefield Management Terminal set it apart from earlier versions as well as from the enemy.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/49386/lithuania-receives-rbs-70-missiles-(nov.-25).html

#SWE
- Hemvärnsmän's Mauser m/96 caliber should be 6.5mm, not 7.5mm. Name should also be Gevär m/96.
- Hemvärnsmän's Kg m/37 caliber should be 6.5mm, not 7.62mm.
- Kustjägare 90's AT12-T didn't recieve the AT4's Acc Buff.
- Strv 105 should have medium optics because of its thermal optical sights.

- Strv 103D should have less fuel and autonomy than Strv 103C because Strv 103C's fuel cans.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1804.html
During mobilisation, the tank is fitted with 2x9 fuel cans each containing 22 litres of fuel.

Also, You can remove this. - Strv 103D should have medium optics because of its thermal optical sights - Strv 103D got medium optics.
- TGB m/42's Twin Ksp m/36 caliber should be 6.5mm, not 7.62mm.
- Ksp m/58: The Ksp m/58(A) introduced in 1958 uses 6.5x55mm, but Ksp m/58B uses 7.62x51mm NATO. But ingame, old one is using 7.62mm, and new one is using 6.5mm. Need swap them or correct them all to 7.62mm. Also, when used in a vehicle, the old and new gun's icons and categories are different. The old one is set to MMG and using the vehicle NF-1's icon. the new one is set as LMG and using the vehicle FN MAG's icon.

#JPN
- Syoujyū-Buntai '90's Howa 89 Shiki's status and image are wrong. Since v.61340, it is using K2's icon and status. Rollback to before v.61340's icon and status, and Howa 89 Shiki doesn't have folding stock. So set as M16's status.
Spoiler : Before and after v.61340 :
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Before v.61340
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Since v.61340 and Sochongsu '85

- 75 MSSR(#SUP) model doesn't carry any rockets. Unlike the BM-24.
- Nana-Yon Shiki G should have medium optics because of its thermal optical sights.
http://tankguy.gooside.com/type74history/Type74History.html
[Type74 G]
JGSDF tried big modifying at Type74 in 1994. Only 4 tanks received up-grade for examination.
1. The night vision device was changed in thermal image system from infrared rays system.

- Nana-Yon Shiki series are have 4 ammo per clip ingame. But IRL, Nana-Yon Shiki series aren't have any clip-loader or autoloader.
Spoiler : :
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/type_74.htm
A cast turret of the Type 74 is broadly similar to that of the French AMX-30. This main battle tank is armed with a fuly-stabilized 105-mm rifled gun. It is the British L7 gun, manufactured in Japan under license. Prototype of the Type 74 was fitted with an autoloader, however it proved too complex and expensive, and was removed.


http://tankguy.gooside.com/type74history/Type74History.html
They adopted L7 series 105mm gun as standard of the west world in those days. But Gun Breech is domestic production. As for it, they needed more compact one in order to secure crews space of the turret inside. The ammunition loading was machine system at first, but the manufacturing type was changed in human power, because they took precedence for inside space.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/74%E5%BC%8F%E6%88%A6%E8%BB%8A
最初の試作車はSTTと呼ばれ、油気圧懸架装置をテストするための車体のみの車両であった。当初は61式戦車のエンジンと履帯が装着されていたが、1967年には三菱重工が開発した10ZFディーゼルエンジンおよびMT-75操向変速機が装着された。また、105mm砲も装着され、砲撃が車体などに与える影響も検証された。105mm砲を装備した試作砲塔もSTTに搭載され、試験が行われた。
STTで各部ごとの試験が行われた後、1969年9月にはSTB-1とSTB-2の試作車両2両が完成した。この試作車は費用面で妥協なく開発が行われたが、その装備の多くは結局、費用対効果の問題などで採用されなかった。戦車長がリモコンで車内より操作する対空機銃(照準はペリスコープを使う)、半自動装填機、バックギアが2段変速など、数々の意欲的な機能が搭載されていた。ほか、細部の構造が量産車と異なる。
The first prototype car was called STT and was a car body only vehicle to test the oil pressure suspension system. Initially it was fitted with 61 type tank engine and crawler belt, but in 1967 it was fitted with the 10 ZF diesel engine developed by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and the MT - 75 steering transmission. Also, a 105 mm gun was attached, and the impact of shelling on the car body etc was also verified. A prototype turret equipped with 105 mm cannon was also mounted on the STT and tested.
After the test of each part at STT, in September 1969 two prototype vehicles of STB-1 and STB-2 were completed. Although this prototype car was developed without compromise in terms of cost, most of its equipment was not adopted in the end as a matter of cost-effectiveness. Numerous ambitious features such as anti-aircraft gun (aiming uses periscope) operated semi-automatic loading machine, two gear shift of back gear, and other tank aircraft operated from inside the car with a remote controller were installed. Besides, the detailed structure is different from mass production car.

- Nana-Yon Shiki and Kyu-Maru Shiki's M2 Browning should be [STAT] and less Acc because that's position. That isn't RWS(Remote Weapon System)...


Spoiler : :
http://tankguy.gooside.com/type74history/Type74History.html
As for the 2nd prototype, simplification for cost reduction and improvement of reliability were planned. For example, it is repeal of a RC machine gun, and The hydraulic pressure system of the electronic control changed in the machine control, etc...

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/74%E5%BC%8F%E6%88%A6%E8%BB%8A
最初の試作車はSTTと呼ばれ、油気圧懸架装置をテストするための車体のみの車両であった。当初は61式戦車のエンジンと履帯が装着されていたが、1967年には三菱重工が開発した10ZFディーゼルエンジンおよびMT-75操向変速機が装着された。また、105mm砲も装着され、砲撃が車体などに与える影響も検証された。105mm砲を装備した試作砲塔もSTTに搭載され、試験が行われた。
STTで各部ごとの試験が行われた後、1969年9月にはSTB-1とSTB-2の試作車両2両が完成した。この試作車は費用面で妥協なく開発が行われたが、その装備の多くは結局、費用対効果の問題などで採用されなかった。戦車長がリモコンで車内より操作する対空機銃(照準はペリスコープを使う)、半自動装填機、バックギアが2段変速など、数々の意欲的な機能が搭載されていた。ほか、細部の構造が量産車と異なる。
The first prototype car was called STT and was a car body only vehicle to test the oil pressure suspension system. Initially it was fitted with 61 type tank engine and crawler belt, but in 1967 it was fitted with the 10 ZF diesel engine developed by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and the MT - 75 steering transmission. Also, a 105 mm gun was attached, and the impact of shelling on the car body etc was also verified. A prototype turret equipped with 105 mm cannon was also mounted on the STT and tested.
After the test of each part at STT, in September 1969 two prototype vehicles of STB-1 and STB-2 were completed. Although this prototype car was developed without compromise in terms of cost, most of its equipment was not adopted in the end as a matter of cost-effectiveness. Numerous ambitious features such as anti-aircraft gun (aiming uses periscope) operated semi-automatic loading machine, two gear shift of back gear, and other tank aircraft operated from inside the car with a remote controller were installed. Besides, the detailed structure is different from mass production car.

Japan considered about nuclear warfare during planning their tank, so they tried to set NBC Positive pressure device and RWS. However RWS was cancelled by budget and technical problems, but still MG stand placed the same place. So it is hard to use at any hatch.
http://i.imgur.com/zR8BotY.jpg (picture of Type 10)
To use MG appropriately, any of tankers have to get out from the tank like this photo. But if you action like this during the tank moving, you have to worry about being thrown from the tank before worrying about being hit.

This problem is more highlighted when comparing between Type 74, Type 90 and M1 Abrams, T-80BV's blueprints. It would be more easy to understand.
Spoiler : blueprints of Type 74 and Type 90 :
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Type 74
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Type 90

Spoiler : blueprints of M1 Abrams and T-80BV :
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Recently, there's some videos and pictures which shows Type 74 and Type 90 removed outboard MG.

- F-15J has 40% ECM despite licensed-built version of F-15C. (Maybe not a bug?)

#ROK
- K30 Biho(#SUP) shouldn't be amphibious as the turret make it to heavy.
- K1's track is upside down
- K1A1's track is upside down
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- KAFV 90's gun should be Cockerill Mk.3, not Mk.8.
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- UH-60P's price should be same as #FIN Super Puma.
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- A-37B Dragonfly's ECM should be 10% because of its flare dispenser.
- F-5A and KF-5E Jegong-ho's TOT should be 120s to match other F-5 variants.

#HOL
- NF-5A & NF-5B are same as CF-116(Canadair licensed-built version of the American Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter aircraft). However NF-5A/B have 10% ECM with no reason. So NF-5A/B's ECM should be 0%.(No chaff/flares dispenser system)

#ISR
- B-300 caliber should be 82mm, not 83mm.
- BAZ Meshupar has 40% ECM despite BAZ Meshupar is same as F-15C. (Maybe not a bug?)
- Sayfan PIKUD(#LOG) and Sayfan(#REC) is same helicopter(Bell 206), but didn't match status(speed, fuel, autonomy, even SIZE, too!). Should match other Bell 206. Also its name should be Saifan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... _Air_Force

#CHI
- ZTQ-62G(#REC) PLA-105 KE round gun noise should be 2.05, not 2

#NK
- ATS-103(#VHC)'s BS-3 caliber should be 100mm (not 103mm).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_mm_field_gun_M1944_(BS-3)
https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=646
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/12/14/100mm-field-gun-m1944-bs-3/

#FIN
- Nostoväki's M/39(Finnish variants of Mosin–Nagant) caliber should be 7.62mm (not 7.5mm).
- Strumi(#VHC)'s DT 7.62 should be [STAT] because that's position. That isn't RWS...
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- Mi-8T KT's Gsh-23L's aim time is 0.2sec. Should be 1sec like other autocannons.
- MiG-29 9.13's speed should be 900km/h. (Ignore that Finland never used MiG-29) In MiG-29 series, engine upgrade in MiG-29M(9.15 = Fulcrum-C = MiG-33) and MiG-29SMT(9.17 = Fulcrum-E). MiG-29 9.13's speed is 1000km/h while even Soviet's MiG-29M's speed is 900km/h.
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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby urogard » Fri 25 Aug 2017 10:46

Strop 2 and hibernyt zur-23-2S still only have 4 missiles, rather than 8 missiles like all other gun/missile aa platforms (macbeth, flakpanzer, sopel, pgz-95)

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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby Xeno426 » Fri 25 Aug 2017 14:38

urogard wrote:Strop 2 and hibernyt zur-23-2S still only have 4 missiles, rather than 8 missiles like all other gun/missile aa platforms (macbeth, flakpanzer, sopel, pgz-95)

That's an irrelevant comparison. Did the actual vehicle actually have 8 missiles?
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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby urogard » Fri 25 Aug 2017 15:39

Xeno426 wrote:
urogard wrote:Strop 2 and hibernyt zur-23-2S still only have 4 missiles, rather than 8 missiles like all other gun/missile aa platforms (macbeth, flakpanzer, sopel, pgz-95)

That's an irrelevant comparison. Did the actual vehicle actually have 8 missiles?

Yes, the actual vehicles like PGZ-95 only have 4 missiles IRL and had 4 missiles ingame and were later given 8 missiles after the launch of the ISR DLC to be standardized to the Macbeth which got introduced with 8 missiles. Sopel matter of fact apparently only carried 2 missiles yet was given 4 missiles ingame when released and then standardized to 8 missiles as well with ISR DLC.

So what do you mean with "Did Strop 2/Hibernit actually have 8 missiles?" ?
Doesn't matter what it had IRL, since units that don't have 8 missiles IRL have 8 missiles and EUG said they'd standardize all platforms to carry 8 missiles when preview of ISR launched and people pointed out Macbeth with 8 missiles, so they should do what they said they would do.

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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby Fodder » Fri 25 Aug 2017 15:58

urogard wrote:Yes, the actual vehicles like PGZ-95 only have 4 missiles IRL and had 4 missiles ingame and were later given 8 missiles after the launch of the ISR DLC to be standardized to the Macbeth which got introduced with 8 missiles. Sopel matter of fact apparently only carried 2 missiles yet was given 4 missiles ingame when released and then standardized to 8 missiles as well with ISR DLC.

So what do you mean with "Did Strop 2/Hibernit actually have 8 missiles?" ?
Doesn't matter what it had IRL, since units that don't have 8 missiles IRL have 8 missiles and EUG said they'd standardize all platforms to carry 8 missiles when preview of ISR launched and people pointed out Macbeth with 8 missiles, so they should do what they said they would do.

Nerf pgz-95
Nerf Strop 2 too, unless it had a secret compartment where missiles can be stored.

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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby urogard » Fri 25 Aug 2017 15:59

Fodder wrote:Nerf pgz-95
Nerf Strop 2, unless it had a secret compartment somewhere where it store missiles.

Then explain, sopel, macbeth and flakpanzer carrying 8 missiles

Strop 2 already has only 4 missiles, as it did IRL
Also might I remind you, this is bug/inconsistency thread. If you want to make this a balance discussion then open up a new thread.

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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby Fodder » Fri 25 Aug 2017 16:26

urogard wrote:
Fodder wrote:Nerf pgz-95
Nerf Strop 2, unless it had a secret compartment somewhere where it store missiles.

Then explain, sopel, macbeth and flakpanzer carrying 8 missiles

Strop 2 already has only 4 missiles, as it did IRL
Also might I remind you, this is bug/inconsistency thread. If you want to make this a balance discussion then open up a new thread.

then nerf them all to wat they did carried IRL

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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby urogard » Fri 25 Aug 2017 17:03

I can only repeat myself.
This is a bug/inconsistency thread.

If you want to use the words nerf/buff then open a new thread.
Eugen decided they should all have 8 missiles by having Macbeth carry that much and later buffing PGZ-95 and Flakpanzer to carry 8 missiles, meaning anything that still carries 4 missiles is an inconsistency and should get fixed.

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Re: Bug/Inconsistency Thread.

Postby Narcissistic Black » Sat 26 Aug 2017 04:50

Removed fixed bugs from the OP.

I'll go through and add the other bugs you've all posted for the last couple of weeks.. later.. because.. well it's friday and im not getting paid. :D
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