Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby Spect96 » Fri 7 Oct 2016 09:21

Aaaa, this season of the year "OP - pls netf..." -_- But hey, lets break it down. In Logistics, they dont really shine and they dont really matter. Infantry tab, yes, you can get Merkavas but with concentration of heavy shit in 10v10s everywhere, doesnt really matter. Infantry isnt really shining and it doesnt really matter in 10v10s. Support is totaly horrible and if you tell me, Israeli can spam arty better than USSR with BM21s, Uragans, Smerches, Burritos, Nonas (See where im going?) you are a bit delusional. Tank tab is agains weak, since it has only 3 useable tanks, so maybe sacrifice 3-4 planes and the deck is inpotent against an armored push? About ATGMs, ever heard about smoke? Very useful, I think, you can figure out how that is used. Recon isnt that special, same with vehicles. Peten is on par, but nothing the Tungska cant deal with. And if you can systematic Air Game against ASF spam and general cluster fuck, you have my respect.... So Im starting to think, that this thread is really just useless, im starting to get bored of it and pls stop. Nobody will ever care about 10v10s (and tacticals for that matter), there, I said it.

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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby Fade2Gray » Fri 7 Oct 2016 09:35

Someone created a profile just to bitch about 10 vs 10 games?

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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby M4jor » Fri 7 Oct 2016 10:14

Borscht wrote:Like mentioned above, 10v10 is not possible to balance. Op decks > nonop decks even harder than in other modes.
Also, it's Israel, not Isreal and Isarel or whatever else.


Its absolutly possible to balance, it just wasnt tried like ever...

And its exactly that attitude of making fun of 10vs10 nonstop that keeps this games community toxic and this forum very one sided. I still think 10vs10 is played by a big part of the community and it should get some love.
Most of 10vs10 games are far from beeing clown games. At least the same fair amount as in 1vs1 and 4vs4, who have their own kind of clown games.

As for the topic: currently I dont see any negative impact of Israel on 10vs10 games at all. In the contrary. The Israel love is fading fast when people realise they paid for nothing because its not as OP as thought for.

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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby morpher » Fri 7 Oct 2016 10:17

M4jor wrote:Its absolutly possible to balance, it just wasnt tried like ever...


Not by price/stats changes.

M4jor wrote:when people realise they paid for nothing because its not as OP as thought for.


Uh?

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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby molnibalage » Fri 7 Oct 2016 10:27

1. There are many types of 10 v 10 what we are talking about?
2. We beat blue side easily in 10 v 10. They have some OP units but not generally and so OP. My USSR armored deck simply beat the shit for IDF tanks.

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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby Rabidnid » Fri 7 Oct 2016 11:19

Most of the lobbies are Blue versus Blue at the moment, and the Israeli artillery is cute but not actually that much use. MARs and ATACAMs are still the most annoying blue artillery.

Maglan and AGLs on tanks are the only OP aspects of the deck.
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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby M4jor » Fri 7 Oct 2016 11:29

morpher wrote:
M4jor wrote:Its absolutly possible to balance, it just wasnt tried like ever...


Not by price/stats changes.



I guess you already tried extensivly?

Most of the lobbies are Blue versus Blue at the moment, and the Israeli artillery is cute but not actually that much use. MARs and ATACAMs are still the most annoying blue artillery.

Maglan and AGLs on tanks are the only OP aspects of the deck.


Agreed.

I also have to add:
before Israel only blue side had to learn hard to use smoke. Now Red has to learn that too :-P

Try your mortars for something different for once xD

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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby morpher » Fri 7 Oct 2016 11:32

M4jor wrote:I guess you already tried extensivly?


I thought about it extensively.

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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby Mitchverr » Fri 7 Oct 2016 12:46

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I dont know why, but i get the feeling that this should be the new autoreply to israel OP threads

much like the 1 for the Russians

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and US (though i cant find that 1)


As for Israel OP in 10v10, eh i dunno, the couple redfor games i have had against them they dont seem that OP, sure a couple units are overly strong (and mentioned as is) but I have been using exceptional optics vs them a good amount and it seems to be very effective for me at least in countering it.
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Re: Isarel is SO OP in 10vs10 games that 10vs10 is meaningless now

Postby Gorganhound » Fri 7 Oct 2016 16:47

His motive would be doing his job. And no its not trolling 10vs10 has always been a sideshow of fun chaos that lies outside the realm of balance
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