AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

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AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby damoj » Sat 22 Oct 2016 15:33

Obviously AGLs are currently way OP.

I strongly suggest lowering their stun chance and/or increasing critical failure chances while firing, seeing as the systems IRL do have issues with feeding, especially the Mk19.

Furthermore, given the Israel Mk19 FiST team can benefit from Merkava transports, I strongly suggest Czech AGS FiST teams are given access to BVP-2 transports, just as their Pancerovnici brethren have.

Finally, I think USA, USSR, and ANZAC AGL recon vehicles should be stripped of their Good/Exceptional Optics and moved into the VEHICLE tab, given their use is limited by superior recon units always being available.

What do you think?

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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby Razzmann » Sat 22 Oct 2016 15:42

Agreed, they need a big, global nerf.

Also reduce their splash radius/ damage. Very often, even when they technically miss, they still do a lot of damage.

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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby orcbuster » Sat 22 Oct 2016 15:43

Agreed. AGLs are broken, primarily on high AV vehicles. They work fine on squishier things
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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby Razzmann » Sat 22 Oct 2016 15:48

orcbuster wrote:Agreed. AGLs are broken, primarily on high AV vehicles. They work fine on squishier things

Nah, they melt and stun infantry way too quickly as well imo.

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With nerfed AGLs you can make the KAFV 10 pts again together with the LVTP. And revert the Merkava price nerf maybe.

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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Sat 22 Oct 2016 15:57

Agreed. If you don't one shot the AGL vehicle you're going to loose a lot of guys.
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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby another505 » Sat 22 Oct 2016 15:57

Gosh, please, yes

but im not sure thats a good way in nerfing AGL, too unreliable....
a straight DPS/SPS nerf will be better

Im not sure how decreasing their stun chance work, is it from suppression and damage or is there a separate mechanic... :?
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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby Bougnas » Sat 22 Oct 2016 15:59

I agree.
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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby throwaway » Sat 22 Oct 2016 16:05

Yeah it's necessary, hopefully with price buffs for the thinner skinned carriers as razzmann outlined. And for little bird!

damoj wrote:I strongly suggest lowering their stun chance and/or increasing critical failure chances while firing, seeing as the systems IRL do have issues with feeding, especially the Mk19.


I'm fairly sure stun isn't a chance thing, you just get stunned if you reach some suppression amount (300?) in a short amount of time. And I've never seen a vehicle get a crit from firing, those happen when you get fired on. The nerf could be in fire rate or dispersion or crit chance etc.

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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby urogard » Sat 22 Oct 2016 16:08

while i'm 100% for this suggestion
I would however then also argue that along with a global nerf, formoza and navy seals could do with a 5 pts buff, their AGLs are pretty bad already (it's not spetznaz level weaponry)

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Re: AGS/Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launchers Nerfs

Postby ToTheMetal » Sat 22 Oct 2016 16:11

The only kind of a nerf it could do with is shorter bursts with relatively long reloads.
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