Xeno's air tabs changes

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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby Broth3r » Mon 19 Dec 2016 17:24

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Broth3r wrote:Anyway, here's a shower thought: is there any land-attack mode ASM within timeframe?

Yea, but they're for static targets. The AGM-130, AGM-84E SLAM, Kh-59, Kh-59M, etc.

They could make for an interesting class of weapons, though. With massively reduce range, granted, but still.

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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby Xeno426 » Mon 19 Dec 2016 17:37

Broth3r wrote:They could make for an interesting class of weapons, though. With massively reduce range, granted, but still.

No need, really. In-game ranges work far better with existing weapons like the Maverick and Kh-25. If more AP/range is needed, those weapons could be expanded to fill the gap.

Adding in the likes of the Kh-59 and AGM-130 is adding a class of weapons to fill a long-range role that existing weapons could already be doing, kind of like adding the Patriot and S-300 to give long-range SAM systems when existing ones (like HAWK and BUK) could just have their ranges decompressed a bit for the same effect.
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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 19 Dec 2016 17:38

Xeno426 wrote:It's 100% unnecessary. The USSR doesn't need fancy PGMs to deliver massive amounts of pain from the air.

But US should have muh 40 HE of self-guided democracy? Why no for real F&F big boom?
As for Kh-29TD - will try to find info at Vympel itself.

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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby Xeno426 » Mon 19 Dec 2016 17:46

GARGEAN wrote:But US should have muh 40 HE of self-guided democracy? Why no for real F&F big boom?

USSR gets 50HE, potentially 75HE, with the Su-24M.
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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 19 Dec 2016 18:10

Xeno426 wrote:USSR gets 50HE, potentially 75HE, with the Su-24M.

But not guiiiiiiided!!!

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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby Xeno426 » Mon 19 Dec 2016 19:28

GARGEAN wrote:
Xeno426 wrote:USSR gets 50HE, potentially 75HE, with the Su-24M.

But not guiiiiiiided!!!

Which would probably be OP.
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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 19 Dec 2016 19:30

Xeno426 wrote:Which would probably be OP.

Bah! So 80 HE of Freedom that someone suggest here is not OP, but pity 50 HE of Communism is already OP?
Maybe just 25?..

And to be serious - I don't think that it will be too OP with current LGB state. Hit is not guaranteed, and with 2 big fatties you have decent chance only to 25 HE to the roof. Deadly to light stuff due to splash - definitely. Remove tank button? Not anymore.

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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby Razzmann » Mon 19 Dec 2016 19:34

GARGEAN wrote:And to be serious - I don't think that it will be too OP with current LGB state. Hit is not guaranteed, and with 2 big fatties you have decent chance only to 25 HE to the roof. Deadly to light stuff due to splash - definitely. Remove tank button? Not anymore.

You cant be serious. The Kurnass is arguably the best ground support plane. High HE LGBs aee not nearly as much affected by the change as the small ones.

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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby KattiValk » Mon 19 Dec 2016 19:40

GARGEAN wrote:Bah! So 80 HE of Freedom that someone suggest here is not OP, but pity 50 HE of Communism is already OP?
Both would be OP.

There's a reason OP asked for two, not four bombs on the Paveway Aardvark.

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Re: Xeno's air tabs changes

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 19 Dec 2016 19:46

Razzmann wrote:You cant be serious. The Kurnass is arguably the best ground support plane. High HE LGBs aee not nearly as much affected by the change as the small ones.

Main point against >40 HE LGBs always was ability to remove any unit with any roof armor in 1 pass. With current change it won't be so, cause many tanks can withstand one 25 HE roof hit and one 25 HE near miss. Like 7,5 HP against 3 roof and 5 HP against 4 roof. In first case near miss should be at up to 7 AV side (rear and for some tanks sides), only then it will be one-shot.

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