Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby codextero » Fri 25 Nov 2016 22:43

HrcAk47 wrote:This is amazing! It is a really neat overview of most of the stuff. But it makes me sad, because it reminds me of Yugo broken dream - towed artillery.

We easily had tens of thousands of towed artillery pieces, from 20 mm to 220 mm, from ancient to cutting edge.

Also, that 100 mm APFSDS round is the source of my rage, because the data on it is impossible to find.

Great find!


That 100mm APFSDS doesn't seem too impressive if it's the 17AP one. 33mmx400mm projectile.

M833 is 14AP from a 30x530mm projectile for reference.

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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby terror51247 » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:01

codextero wrote:
HrcAk47 wrote:This is amazing! It is a really neat overview of most of the stuff. But it makes me sad, because it reminds me of Yugo broken dream - towed artillery.

We easily had tens of thousands of towed artillery pieces, from 20 mm to 220 mm, from ancient to cutting edge.

Also, that 100 mm APFSDS round is the source of my rage, because the data on it is impossible to find.

Great find!


That 100mm APFSDS doesn't seem too impressive if it's the 17AP one. 33mmx400mm projectile.

M833 is 14AP from a 30x530mm projectile for reference.

In game m833 has 15 AP.
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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby codextero » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:01

terror51247 wrote:
codextero wrote:
HrcAk47 wrote:This is amazing! It is a really neat overview of most of the stuff. But it makes me sad, because it reminds me of Yugo broken dream - towed artillery.

We easily had tens of thousands of towed artillery pieces, from 20 mm to 220 mm, from ancient to cutting edge.

Also, that 100 mm APFSDS round is the source of my rage, because the data on it is impossible to find.

Great find!


That 100mm APFSDS doesn't seem too impressive if it's the 17AP one. 33mmx400mm projectile.

M833 is 14AP from a 30x530mm projectile for reference.

In game m833 has 15 AP.


14 if you scale to 2275, since the M833 guns are 2100 meters.

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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby terror51247 » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:10

codextero wrote:
14 if you scale to 2275, since the M833 guns are 2100 meters.

Korean m48 has 15 ap and its range is 2275.Same happens with m60 ERA.Basically wargame's ap ratings make no sense.
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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby HrcAk47 » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:15

I was using the korean M48 as some sort of upper limit of what can be done. American stuff has values all over the place, I noticed.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby codextero » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:19

terror51247 wrote:
codextero wrote:
14 if you scale to 2275, since the M833 guns are 2100 meters.

Korean m48 has 15 ap and its range is 2275.Same happens with m60 ERA.Basically wargame's ap ratings make no sense.


WSRA has 17AP and is presumably using the same ammo as K1, with the post 1991 +1 AP fudge factor. Someone on the BD thread showed documentation that the M48A5K was upgraded with the same fire control computer as K1 somewhere around early 1990s.
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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby terror51247 » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:21

codextero wrote:
terror51247 wrote:
codextero wrote:
14 if you scale to 2275, since the M833 guns are 2100 meters.

Korean m48 has 15 ap and its range is 2275.Same happens with m60 ERA.Basically wargame's ap ratings make no sense.


WSRA is presumably using the same ammo as K1. Someone on the BD thread showed documentation that the M48A5K was upgraded with the same fire control computer as K1 something around early 1990s.

South koreans didnt have m900.What other ammo can they be using other than m833?
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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby ProtzY » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:22

terror51247 wrote:
codextero wrote:
14 if you scale to 2275, since the M833 guns are 2100 meters.

Korean m48 has 15 ap and its range is 2275.Same happens with m60 ERA.Basically wargame's ap ratings make no sense.


The M48A5 WSRA has 17 at 2275 (post 1991) and the other I think isn't 2275. The M60 is in similar vein, but the post '85 105/115mm buff is the reason for this. Maybe a sourcehunt for Tank rounds similar to APC armor could be useful and get rid of some of those inconsistencies.

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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby terror51247 » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:26

ProtzY wrote:
terror51247 wrote:
codextero wrote:
14 if you scale to 2275, since the M833 guns are 2100 meters.

Korean m48 has 15 ap and its range is 2275.Same happens with m60 ERA.Basically wargame's ap ratings make no sense.


The M48A5 WSRA has 17 at 2275 (post 1991) and the other I think isn't 2275. The M60 is in similar vein, but the post '85 105/115mm buff is the reason for this. Maybe a sourcehunt for Tank rounds similar to APC armor could be useful and get rid of some of those inconsistencies.

Indeed.
M48's ap is 17.I stand corrected.
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Re: Yugoslavia: The Frequently Asked Questions

Postby nuke92 » Fri 25 Nov 2016 23:55

Even a railgun, wow :shock:
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