Top tier tank rebalance

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby KattiValk » Tue 29 Nov 2016 10:14

ziizii wrote:in SOVKOR they are 2 cards of 4
Okay then.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby throwaway » Tue 29 Nov 2016 11:06

Put all supers back to 2/card.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby molnibalage » Tue 29 Nov 2016 11:19

ziizii wrote:I must say now the top tier tank availability balance is queit big problem for the country like USA and USSR. czech got 3 morderna. but USA AND USSR have only 2 same tier tanks even though M1A2 and T72BU are bit stronger.It will be a big disadvantage when USSR against eurocorp and USA against yugoczech. So i think there should be a rebalance of top tier tank.

USA:
the availability of M1A2 changed from 2 to 3
remove M1A1HC
M1A1HA AP increased from 20 to 21

USSR:
the availability of T80U changed from 3 to 4
T80U AP increased from 20 to 21
T80UM front armor increased from 20 to 22
T80UM price increased from 165 to 180

EUROCOPR:
Leclerc tank availability changed from 3 to 2
L2A4 AP increased from 19 to 21
L2A4 tank availability changed from 5 to 4

UK:
Challenger1 MK3 availability changed from 3 to 4

Challenger1 MK3, L2A4, T80U,M1A1HA deck numbers changed from 2 to 1

Totally bad ideas. All of them.

CZ can have 3x Modernas in national deck but for what price for God sake...? Decks are not only top tier tanks. CZ has crap ASF comparing to rest of nations, no strong combat helo, etc. This is the price of 3x Modernas by national availability bonus. 2 or 1 per card superheavy is more than enough.

Another problem wit your stat changes are based on nothing. You would change the AP/AV values based on "just because I like these"...

trotskygrad wrote:I'd just buff M1A2 AP to 25 again

Pls no, M1A2 is enough more powerful comoparng to rest of tanks with +1 AP+AV comparing to any tank.
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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby ziizii » Tue 29 Nov 2016 11:30

molnibalage wrote:
ziizii wrote:I must say now the top tier tank availability balance is queit big problem for the country like USA and USSR. czech got 3 morderna. but USA AND USSR have only 2 same tier tanks even though M1A2 and T72BU are bit stronger.It will be a big disadvantage when USSR against eurocorp and USA against yugoczech. So i think there should be a rebalance of top tier tank.

USA:
the availability of M1A2 changed from 2 to 3
remove M1A1HC
M1A1HA AP increased from 20 to 21

USSR:
the availability of T80U changed from 3 to 4
T80U AP increased from 20 to 21
T80UM front armor increased from 20 to 22
T80UM price increased from 165 to 180

EUROCOPR:
Leclerc tank availability changed from 3 to 2
L2A4 AP increased from 19 to 21
L2A4 tank availability changed from 5 to 4

UK:
Challenger1 MK3 availability changed from 3 to 4

Challenger1 MK3, L2A4, T80U,M1A1HA deck numbers changed from 2 to 1

Totally bad ideas. All of them.
CZ can have 3x Modernas in national deck but for what price for God sake...? Decks are not only top tier tanks. CZ has crap ASF comparing to rest of nations, no strong combat helo, etc. This is the price of 3x Modernas by national availability bonus. 2 or 1 per card superheavy is more than enough.

Another problem wit your stat changes are based on nothing. You would change the AP/AV values based on "just because I like these"...


CZ is not the problem , yugoCZ is the probnlem

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby urogard » Tue 29 Nov 2016 11:55

ziizii wrote:
kiheerSEDMAN wrote:
ziizii wrote:dutch and germany got 4 L2A5 , eurocorp have 2 L2A5 and 3 leclerc , UK has 3 Challeger 2. there is no any problem for USA got 3 M1A2
The M1A2 is already better than any other tank even with nerfed AP. The only tank that can claim to be better is Challe 2 due to AP capping at 30 and 3 per card Challe 2 really shouldn't be a thing to begin with.


1 AP advantage is a onlybit advantage

1 AP is a huge advantage because in a situation where superheavies are lugging it out it can be anywhere between 33% to 50% extra damage over your opponent (1 DMG becomes 1.5 DMG and 1.5 DMG becomes 2 DMG)

That said I'm not against making M1A2 25 AP again if USSR tanks can get some love
4x Leo 2A5 and an ungodly amount of 21 AP Leo2A4's is a joke when all you have is 2x BU and 2x UM

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby urogard » Tue 29 Nov 2016 13:58

ziizii wrote:CZ is not the problem , yugoCZ is the probnlem

wat?
since when has yugo been released already?

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby molnibalage » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:01

urogard wrote:That said I'm not against making M1A2 25 AP again if USSR tanks can get some love
4x Leo 2A5 and an ungodly amount of 21 AP Leo2A4's is a joke when all you have is 2x BU and 2x UM

Yes, it is "ungodly" if you do not have top tiers. Against T-72BU they are die fast.

T-72BU 24AP vs 19 FAV (because of -1 incr. distance)
Leo2A4 NL 22 AP vs 22 AP.

This is the problem what I explained thousand time. A singe top tier tank can anytime handle two just one lower category tanks even without using the gun/ATGM exploit. T-80UM is more vulnerable because of "only" 20 FAV but it has 24 AP HEAT 2800m range ATGM. In case of firs hit, ehm...

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby ziizii » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:03

molnibalage wrote:
urogard wrote:That said I'm not against making M1A2 25 AP again if USSR tanks can get some love
4x Leo 2A5 and an ungodly amount of 21 AP Leo2A4's is a joke when all you have is 2x BU and 2x UM

Yes, it is "ungodly" if you do not have top tiers. Against T-72BU they are die fast.

T-72BU 24AP vs 19 FAV (because of -1 incr. distance)
Leo2A4 NL 22 AP vs 22 AP.

This is the problem what I explained thousand time. A singe top tier tank can anytime handle two just one lower category tanks even without using the gun/ATGM exploit. T-80UM is more vulnerable because of "only" 20 FAV but it has 24 AP HEAT 2800m range ATGM. In case of firs hit, ehm...

Agree now all top tier tanks are too strong compared with second tier tank.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby ziizii » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:04

urogard wrote:
ziizii wrote:CZ is not the problem , yugoCZ is the probnlem

wat?
since when has yugo been released already?

you can watch stream.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby morpher » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:07

urogard wrote:wat?
since when has yugo been released already?


Do you remember the Israel OP thread after the stream? All complaining about how cancerous some stats were? And how we were told "just way for the release! It will all be right!"?

It did end well after all.

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