Top tier tank rebalance

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby urogard » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:08

ziizii wrote:
urogard wrote:
ziizii wrote:CZ is not the problem , yugoCZ is the probnlem

wat?
since when has yugo been released already?

you can watch stream.

Stream was in the past rather than showing the as-is state at release
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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby urogard » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:10

molnibalage wrote:
urogard wrote:That said I'm not against making M1A2 25 AP again if USSR tanks can get some love
4x Leo 2A5 and an ungodly amount of 21 AP Leo2A4's is a joke when all you have is 2x BU and 2x UM

Yes, it is "ungodly" if you do not have top tiers. Against T-72BU they are die fast.

T-72BU 24AP vs 19 FAV (because of -1 incr. distance)
Leo2A4 NL 22 AP vs 22 AP.

This is the problem what I explained thousand time. A singe top tier tank can anytime handle two just one lower category tanks even without using the gun/ATGM exploit. T-80UM is more vulnerable because of "only" 20 FAV but it has 24 AP HEAT 2800m range ATGM. In case of firs hit, ehm...

So how is 2x BU and 2x UM supposed to handle 4 Leo2A5? (by your own admission it can't, as you can see this is a rhetorical question. However since you seemed to avoid the issue in your actual response, I would actually love to hear the answer)
I only added the mention about Leo2A4 spam just in case anyone wanted to divert attention towards hordes of T-80U/OBR 1989 etc (which the Leo2A4 will REK for precicely the reason you explained just now)
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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby HrcAk47 » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:11

morpher wrote:
urogard wrote:wat?
since when has yugo been released already?


Do you remember the Israel OP thread after the stream? All complaining about how cancerous some stats were? And how we were told "just way for the release! It will all be right!"?

It did end well after all.


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The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby Razzmann » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:15

DGC does not have the support (I don't just mean the support tab) assets for a viable (tank heavy) deck. Unlike SovKor it can't support its tanks properly.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby nande » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:35

how does that matter in large games. You know, the very games in which people were crying about sovkor

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby ziizii » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:36

urogard wrote:
molnibalage wrote:
urogard wrote:That said I'm not against making M1A2 25 AP again if USSR tanks can get some love
4x Leo 2A5 and an ungodly amount of 21 AP Leo2A4's is a joke when all you have is 2x BU and 2x UM

Yes, it is "ungodly" if you do not have top tiers. Against T-72BU they are die fast.

T-72BU 24AP vs 19 FAV (because of -1 incr. distance)
Leo2A4 NL 22 AP vs 22 AP.

This is the problem what I explained thousand time. A singe top tier tank can anytime handle two just one lower category tanks even without using the gun/ATGM exploit. T-80UM is more vulnerable because of "only" 20 FAV but it has 24 AP HEAT 2800m range ATGM. In case of firs hit, ehm...

So how is 2x BU and 2x UM supposed to handle 4 Leo2A5? (by your own admission it can't, as you can see this is a rhetorical question. However since you seemed to avoid the issue in your actual response, I would actually love to hear the answer)
I only added the mention about Leo2A4 spam just in case anyone wanted to divert attention towards hordes of T-80U/OBR 1989 etc (which the Leo2A4 will REK for precicely the reason you explained just now)


So whats your opinion. we can see there some coilation have quiet powerful tank deck than single contry's tank deck. thats the problem right now.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby ziizii » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:39

nande wrote:how does that matter in large games. You know, the very games in which people were crying about sovkor

for 2 T72BU AND T90 SOVKOR deck need abandon a lot of options. i think its reasonable.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby ziizii » Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:55

Razzmann wrote:DGC does not have the support (I don't just mean the support tab) assets for a viable (tank heavy) deck. Unlike SovKor it can't support its tanks properly.

IMO yugoczech now got best tank deck of redfor.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby molnibalage » Tue 29 Nov 2016 15:01

ziizii wrote:
molnibalage wrote:
urogard wrote:That said I'm not against making M1A2 25 AP again if USSR tanks can get some love
4x Leo 2A5 and an ungodly amount of 21 AP Leo2A4's is a joke when all you have is 2x BU and 2x UM

Yes, it is "ungodly" if you do not have top tiers. Against T-72BU they are die fast.

T-72BU 24AP vs 19 FAV (because of -1 incr. distance)
Leo2A4 NL 22 AP vs 22 AP.

This is the problem what I explained thousand time. A singe top tier tank can anytime handle two just one lower category tanks even without using the gun/ATGM exploit. T-80UM is more vulnerable because of "only" 20 FAV but it has 24 AP HEAT 2800m range ATGM. In case of firs hit, ehm...

Agree now all top tier tanks are too strong compared with second tier tank.

All top tier tank should have in total +2-3 total AP+AV advantage. Now they have mostly 5.

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Re: Top tier tank rebalance

Postby molnibalage » Tue 29 Nov 2016 15:01

urogard wrote:
molnibalage wrote:
urogard wrote:That said I'm not against making M1A2 25 AP again if USSR tanks can get some love
4x Leo 2A5 and an ungodly amount of 21 AP Leo2A4's is a joke when all you have is 2x BU and 2x UM

Yes, it is "ungodly" if you do not have top tiers. Against T-72BU they are die fast.

T-72BU 24AP vs 19 FAV (because of -1 incr. distance)
Leo2A4 NL 22 AP vs 22 AP.

This is the problem what I explained thousand time. A singe top tier tank can anytime handle two just one lower category tanks even without using the gun/ATGM exploit. T-80UM is more vulnerable because of "only" 20 FAV but it has 24 AP HEAT 2800m range ATGM. In case of firs hit, ehm...

So how is 2x BU and 2x UM supposed to handle 4 Leo2A5? (by your own admission it can't, as you can see this is a rhetorical question. However since you seemed to avoid the issue in your actual response, I would actually love to hear the answer)
I only added the mention about Leo2A4 spam just in case anyone wanted to divert attention towards hordes of T-80U/OBR 1989 etc (which the Leo2A4 will REK for precicely the reason you explained just now)

How you can call 4 Leo2A5 in the same time except crazy 45k 10 v 10 games...?

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