Eugen should take a look at tank acc

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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby Bougnas » Sun 4 Dec 2016 11:35

Razzmann wrote:
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Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:Most tanks need a good looking at.

Redfor tanks with Modern FCS are still pitifully inaccurate, US tanks are all over the place, French tanks too.



What do you mean by "French tanks" ?

Tanks that are available to France :lol:



But I mean, what is the problem with their accuracy?
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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Sun 4 Dec 2016 15:23

It should be 0 as the crews have abandoned their tank.

I'm sorry MadMat please don't kill me.
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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby Bougnas » Sun 4 Dec 2016 15:26

Sweedish_Gunner wrote:It should be 0 as the crews have abandoned their tank.

I'm sorry MadMat please don't kill me.


Oh dear...
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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby Darkmil » Sun 4 Dec 2016 16:33

Sweedish_Gunner wrote:It should be 0 as the crews have abandoned their tank.

I'm sorry MadMat please don't kill me.

There shouldn't be French tanks at all, they already have fled. (Leaving the tank and fleeing by foot is more tiring, and don't worry French are lazy people)
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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby BTR » Sun 4 Dec 2016 16:44

Steamfunk wrote:Description of the 1V517 unit, also from Stefan Kotsch -


Yeah, ok, but BV-55 doesn't have all of that. Manual pages 8-9-10-11 outline exactly what Azazel wrote.
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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby molnibalage » Sun 4 Dec 2016 17:54

Vestly wrote:1979 Leopard 2 which doesnt have a thermal sight is more accurate, than 1995 tank with thermals, etc. Ok.
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Pls. check first th optics value... Aiming and seeing someting are totally two different things...

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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby Vestly » Sun 4 Dec 2016 18:24

In that case it is even more of a bs. Thermal sights are only part of the whole system, thats the reason, why I wrote "etc".. All of it is part of computer system FCC (thermals, new balistic computer, new digital servo systems, which control elevation of the main gun, secondary gun (30mm), new stabilizators, etc.). Then of course, there is a new main gun, which is much more accurate.

The whole point of Moderna was to give the tank much more firepower, higher probability of kill etc.

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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby Steamfunk » Sun 4 Dec 2016 20:56

Yeah, ok, but BV-55 doesn't have all of that. Manual pages 8-9-10-11 outline exactly what Azazel wrote.


The bit I highlighted sounds just the same - minor values are adjusted before firing. Compare the terminals -

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That was a bad photo, but this is from the T-90S -

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The M21 switchboard on the M60A3 is much the same although it has separate inputs for APDS/HEP/HEAT (there are presets for specific rounds). The M1 also has manual inputs for barrel wear, temp, air pressure etc. Note that a 'wind sensor' is literally a hot piece of wire. Stabilisers aren't much more sophisticated, and they've been around for decades.

TL/DR: Modern MBTs are more or less the same, training and tactics are far more important.

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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby molnibalage » Mon 5 Dec 2016 17:00

Vestly wrote:In that case it is even more of a bs. Thermal sights are only part of the whole system, thats the reason, why I wrote "etc".. All of it is part of computer system FCC (thermals, new balistic computer, new digital servo systems, which control elevation of the main gun, secondary gun (30mm), new stabilizators, etc.). Then of course, there is a new main gun, which is much more accurate.

The whole point of Moderna was to give the tank much more firepower, higher probability of kill etc.

Moderna has bette ACC and much better stab. than base T-72... Do you expect miracles? Even currently NSWP home manufactured tanks are over modeled as hell comparing to their RL capability...

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Re: Eugen should take a look at tank acc

Postby Mike » Mon 5 Dec 2016 17:28

I like how this guy picked the worst possible example.
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