Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby wargamer1985 » Tue 6 Dec 2016 00:47

GARGEAN wrote:
Killertomato wrote:Super Dragon is already the most overbuffed system in the game.

Khm-khm... M60A1 ERA-Khm...

Nah, I would argue the T-34-85 takes that cake.
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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby Markenzwieback » Tue 6 Dec 2016 00:56

remilia019 wrote:Just, remove Spike MR from Maglan please, If it must have an ATGM instead of LAW, give it something max 15AP only so they aren't broken af. Or, Maglans can only ride Nimrod. cause why the hell can Maglan be called out so price efficiently when even the worse Gorno can't?!

Markenzwieback wrote:Three step solution to this problem:
Step 1: Move Maglan to the infantry tab (one card, prototyped)
Step 2: Move Shayetet 13 to the recon tab (two cards of 4)
Step 3: Reduce Spike MR firing noise to regular infantry ATGMs

You even solve two problems in one go.

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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby remilia019 » Tue 6 Dec 2016 01:04

Markenzwieback wrote:
remilia019 wrote:Just, remove Spike MR from Maglan please, If it must have an ATGM instead of LAW, give it something max 15AP only so they aren't broken af. Or, Maglans can only ride Nimrod. cause why the hell can Maglan be called out so price efficiently when even the worse Gorno can't?!

Markenzwieback wrote:Three step solution to this problem:
Step 1: Move Maglan to the infantry tab (one card, prototyped)
Step 2: Move Shayetet 13 to the recon tab (two cards of 4)
Step 3: Reduce Spike MR firing noise to regular infantry ATGMs

You even solve two problems in one go.

:)

But there's still the problem that Maglan still is a 10-man ATGM squad with a strong ATGM with cheap ass transport options :( the only other thing that can 10 man and decent ATGM is Gorno '90, and they come regular training and only on helo
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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby Erwin12824 » Tue 6 Dec 2016 01:43

But there's still the problem that Maglan still is a 10-man ATGM squad with a strong ATGM with cheap ass transport options :( the only other thing that can 10 man and decent ATGM is Gorno '90, and they come regular training and only on helo

gorno should come in btr in the first place
but tbh you guys are kinda off topic
because the main idea of the thread is probably why should finnish spike suffer from the noise and missile speed nerf implemented to balance the maglan
instead of maglan bashing

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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby GARGEAN » Tue 6 Dec 2016 03:00

wargamer1985 wrote:Nah, I would argue the T-34-85 takes that cake.

Lol. Wanna elaborate?

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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby wargamer1985 » Tue 6 Dec 2016 03:26

GARGEAN wrote:
wargamer1985 wrote:Nah, I would argue the T-34-85 takes that cake.

Lol. Wanna elaborate?

The M60A1 ERA is really only overrated in terms of accuracy and range (and by about 175m in the latter case). The T-34 is overrated in terms of accuracy and very much so in terms of AP (8 AP for a WWII 85mm cannon, or about 20mm actual penetration per AP unit). Compare it to the M48A5 series (German, Norwegian and American with a 105mm cannon) and you can see that they only have 9 AP, or about 35mm per AP unit (adjusted for range). Sure, it is still useless, but over modeled nonetheless. In the perfect world the M60A1 ERA would be a weird hybrid of the M60A1 with a M48A5 WRSA spin to it, while the Super M60 takes up the current M60A1 ERA gun stats.

@Topic

I think it would be interesting to see the Maglan forced to use really expensive transports, killing its cost-effective utility, but still giving it a interesting niche.
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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby HrcAk47 » Tue 6 Dec 2016 03:47

What?

M60A1 ERA doesn't even have LRF. Range for such tanks is 1925.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby guynumber7 » Tue 6 Dec 2016 04:53

wargamer1985 wrote:
GARGEAN wrote:
wargamer1985 wrote:Nah, I would argue the T-34-85 takes that cake.

Lol. Wanna elaborate?

The M60A1 ERA is really only overrated in terms of accuracy and range (and by about 175m in the latter case). The T-34 is overrated in terms of accuracy and very much so in terms of AP (8 AP for a WWII 85mm cannon, or about 20mm actual penetration per AP unit). Compare it to the M48A5 series (German, Norwegian and American with a 105mm cannon) and you can see that they only have 9 AP, or about 35mm per AP unit (adjusted for range). Sure, it is still useless, but over modeled nonetheless. In the perfect world the M60A1 ERA would be a weird hybrid of the M60A1 with a M48A5 WRSA spin to it, while the Super M60 takes up the current M60A1 ERA gun stats.

@Topic

I think it would be interesting to see the Maglan forced to use really expensive transports, killing its cost-effective utility, but still giving it a interesting niche.



To be fair, the T-34 is firing ammunition from 1969, not WW2 ammunition.
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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby QUAD » Tue 6 Dec 2016 06:15

riflemen or delta force are probally the most overrepresented units ingame, IRL they wouldn't even be able to fight an actual enemy.

the US air tab is also the most overrepresented air force ingame imo.
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Re: Spike MR (Maglan vs. PstOhj 94)

Postby Mike » Tue 6 Dec 2016 06:39

HrcAk47 wrote:What?

M60A1 ERA doesn't even have LRF. Range for such tanks is 1925.


The gun accuracy and range should be a copy of the M60A1. Maayyybe +5% accuracy for much improved ammo. But that's it.
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