Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby Mister Maf » Thu 8 Dec 2016 17:46

Not Even Batman wrote:Just an interesting idea on a bit of reshuffling:

What if East Germany joined USSR which is now without a coalition

This idea keeps coming up and I don't know why anybody thinks it's a good one. This would be probably the most broken thing in Wargame history.

and just deleting Eastern Block, since both Poland and Czechoslovakia now

Yeah let's just delete perfectly good and non-problematic things just for the sake of it. Please, no.

Wolke wrote:If I was god and could go back in time and give Eugene unlimited resources, I'd also ask them to leave away the coalition system as now and instead flesh out each nation much more. And then maybe add some kind of "pseudo coalition" system where each nation get assigned a few units from its friends that fill holes that cannot be filled otherwise.

This would be the ideal in a magical fantasy land were time and resource constraints didn't exist. Nations could, for example, have attachments from their allies. A Polish armored battalion and Czech recon group could be attached to a DDR deck, for example, adding a few tanks and recon units to an otherwise mostly self-sufficient national deck.

Unfortunately, this is not the world we live in. How cool it would be, though.
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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby Erwin12824 » Thu 8 Dec 2016 17:52

Illusive wrote:
But Mom! Everyone else is getting fantasy units this year! :oops:

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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby thenosh » Thu 8 Dec 2016 18:25

I'd appreciate this. East block is oversaturated with units. Wasted potential in my opinion.
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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby CornProducts » Thu 8 Dec 2016 18:30

Mike wrote:
Razzmann wrote:
Mike wrote:Nein.

Doch!

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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby R3d Sh4mbala » Thu 8 Dec 2016 20:36

damoj wrote:No. The real question is why is it getting nerfed to shit with Finland taking over the Shock + BMP-1 & 2 meme


A little birdie tells, me a particular player is the cause of this. Since he is a major user of DDR decks.
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darn you MILINT


But seriously said Yugo is becoming the LULZ level annoyance. Who in their right mind gave an APC dual RR? :shock: And the Fins can throw around just as much Shock Smack and then some.

DDR only has Shocks and has alot of worthless or unused units. Where as YUGO and FIN can saturate far more efficiently than DDR now! :shock: Has unicorns and highly efficient options. Finland has an utterly evil T-55 ball I would hate to run into. Heck Recon T-55 and T-55 with 60+% acc and higher AP than a normal T-72M1??? Whose idea of balance is this?

DDR needs some buffs or re-rolls to stay relevant.
T-72 lines and T-55 lines need to be updated in the face of Finnish joke. I mean it looks like Finland could invade Russia proper with its lineup.

I would think we need to take advice from Narcisstic Blacks mod and get the Kpz T-90S. And probably some Panzerjager 90, there is just a ton of glaring holes in DDR and NSWP decks because of the hilarious Fin and Yugo options.

NSWP seems to be playing second fiddle to those 2 new coaltions.

Sometimes after this DLC, DDR feels like a minor nation than a core nation due to the DLC adjustments.

And Madmat, its time to stop the coalition argument. We need coalition restrictions. So Nationals have some relevance. It makes no sense to have M1A2 in NORAD, because it makes USA invalid alone. Hence the issue with Superpower Wimpyness. USSR only survives because it has options, but even then its options nearly 50% are irrelevant or obsolete in game because of DLC "balance."

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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby Spielführer » Thu 8 Dec 2016 21:14

Well, DDR could be alone if certain stuff would be added.

Metafying DDR:

Logistics:

- FüPz T-72(K1) make available for mechanized (like USSR T-72K1)

Infantry:

- Panzerjäger '90 with RPG-29 or Leichte Schützen '90 with Metys-M or 25$ Mot Schützen with RPG-29.
move Grenzer to Inf, remove very good optics, give them the AGS-17 and access to basic mechanized, motorized transports, regular training (or shock. They were drilled pretty hard and were combat ready)
- Wachregiment access to SPW-152k, maybe a 90' version with Stg-943 and LMG-944
- Mot. Schützen RPG-7V - 20$ (oder 15$ wenn Panzergrenadiere 15$ werden)
MSR-28 (90ies version: KVR-18) (Naval Shock)
A Mot.Schützen-regiment primed for naval assaults and amphibious operations, they could be naval shock troops.

Schwere Panzerjäger (FIST)
It may be a bit of a stretch but with weapons like the Type 76 included, E-Germany could also need such a weapon, the SPG-9. It would make a fine fire support team.

Support:

- Fla-SFL 256 to Fla-SFL 256M1 (why give them an old version if they wanted to procure freshly built vehicles)
- MFRW BM-27 back to HE, make available to Mech
- MFRW RM-70 to Cluster

Tank:

- T-72S1 - is still redundant; either make it available to mechanized or reroll it as a 18AP 18 FV tank (Kpz T-72M1 with CZ upgrade to T-72M1M + added ERA - T-72M1V) which you -then- make available to mechanized.
- KPz T-55AM2PB (Cat-A) - give it a better missile to make it relevant/useful. The Bastion-launch-system was compatible with e.g. the Arkan-missile
- if NKorea can get a T-90 as present so could GDR (or whatever other potential Superheavy instead) [nice to have, only change that requires a new unit] Also T80 would be skipped, like DDR always did with tanks from 2nd generation
- Make T-72 up to T-72M1V available to Motorized.
T-72S

T-72S obr. 1987

The NVA did not plan for T-80 at all. We know that they wanted to upgrade their T-72 from 1993 on and from 1995, they wanted to buy new T-72S from Romania. Note: The “T-72S” in game is not exactly what the NVA wanted. The NVA wanted a new tank with reactive armour and TGM. So two tanks are necessary the “T-72” for the upgraded T-72 and the “T-72S obr. 1987” for the new ones. Also some new T-55 upgrades are thinkable

Recon:

- Reroll SpPz T-55 to SpPz T-55AM2PB
- Make Spezialaufklärer available to all specialisations

Vehicle:

- Reroll PzJ UAZ Fagot to PzJ UAZ Konkurs-M
SPW-80
The DDR did not have SPW-80 but they are a logical progression in this what-if scenario, and not gamebreaking at all

Helicopters:

- KHS MI-24P pure AT loadout with 8xKokon-M
- DHS MI-24P replace Kokon-M with S-80FP

Air:

- SU-22M4 increase EMC to 30%



Tanks:
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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Thu 8 Dec 2016 21:15

With those changes the DDR would be fielding more RPG-29's than the USSR. :|
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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby Mike » Thu 8 Dec 2016 22:50

Razzmann wrote:More like


Too much German for me to pick up on. :lol:
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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby Mike » Thu 8 Dec 2016 22:52

Sweedish_Gunner wrote:With those changes the DDR would be fielding more RPG-29's than the USSR. :|


No, that's just a reason to buff USSR, not to keep DDR from moar RPG-29.
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Re: Should DDR Leave Eastern Bloc?

Postby Aus Askar » Thu 8 Dec 2016 23:24

Spielführer wrote:Well, DDR could be alone if certain stuff would be added.

Metafying DDR:
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I'm a bit torn, on one hand Flieger made sure to come up with a very authentic and historically restrained army list. On the other this DLC madness has gone the super optimistic route and the DDR national deck is pretty lacking - partly due to being tied to Pol and CSSR's tank heavy flavor, partly due to raw power creep.
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