USA and USSR the superpowers... or not?

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Re: USA and USSR the superpowers... or not?

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Sat 24 Dec 2016 05:21

That's the ATACMS in a nutshell.

Also Delta '90's potential armament is already in the game, go look at the Danish Jaegre '90 in the recon tab and proccced to question the lack of Delta '90 again.
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Re: USA and USSR the superpowers... or not?

Postby codextero » Sat 24 Dec 2016 05:27

Guggy wrote:
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Steamfunk wrote:Also applies to Redfor - look at all the crap bombers and the likes of Su-25, Su-25T - 200 points for 20% ECM?

Some discrepancies are real, like the US lack of wheeled transports and Soviet counter to ATACMS (Tochka lacks range, Oka is OP). That aside, it shouldn't be difficult to create a strong deck with US/USSR units within the timeframe.

Edit: And before anyone asks what I mean about the Oka, it is more like Pershing II in that it uses active radar and has a very small CEP.

Well, Tochka-U have 120km range against ATACMS Block I 128km, which pretty similar and still more that enough it terms of Wargame. Plus its accurasy is more than twice better, with 95-100m for Tochka-U and 225-250m for ATACMS. So, when in-game, Tochka-U should be able to hit exact building in town square.


Isnt ATACMS 10-50 meters CEP?


Not the early ones that we have in timeframe, which are INS only and don't have GPS.

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Re: USA and USSR the superpowers... or not?

Postby Solo » Sat 24 Dec 2016 09:22

Sweedish_Gunner wrote:That's the ATACMS in a nutshell.

Also Delta '90's potential armament is already in the game, go look at the Danish Jaegre '90 in the recon tab and proccced to question the lack of Delta '90 again.


Or Korps Mariner '95, don't even have to leave the inf tab.

Proceed to question lack of '90s variant yet again.

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Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Sat 24 Dec 2016 12:00

Solo wrote:
Sweedish_Gunner wrote:That's the ATACMS in a nutshell.

Also Delta '90's potential armament is already in the game, go look at the Danish Jaegre '90 in the recon tab and proccced to question the lack of Delta '90 again.


Or Korps Mariner '95, don't even have to leave the inf tab.

Proceed to question lack of '90s variant yet again.


Don't KM '90 have a carbine though? We all know the U.S. can't make carbines... :^)
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Postby GARGEAN » Sat 24 Dec 2016 12:12

Mike wrote:Timeframe OP, plz nerf.

Well, no, not really. It don't have anti-tank munitions ITF either. Just crappy M77 and M85 which is mostly capable against lightly armored vehicles and personnel. In game it should have cluster with much lower AP that now and added HE.

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Postby codextero » Sat 24 Dec 2016 14:47

GARGEAN wrote:
Mike wrote:Timeframe OP, plz nerf.

Well, no, not really. It don't have anti-tank munitions ITF either. Just crappy M77 and M85 which is mostly capable against lightly armored vehicles and personnel. In game it should have cluster with much lower AP that now and added HE.


That makes the ATACMS better in a US deck, since they don't need more finger of death tank removal, but rather a way to kill IRAA and clear the way for planes to remove tanks.

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Re: USA and USSR the superpowers... or not?

Postby Solo » Sat 24 Dec 2016 17:52

Sweedish_Gunner wrote:
Solo wrote:
Sweedish_Gunner wrote:That's the ATACMS in a nutshell.

Also Delta '90's potential armament is already in the game, go look at the Danish Jaegre '90 in the recon tab and proccced to question the lack of Delta '90 again.


Or Korps Mariner '95, don't even have to leave the inf tab.

Proceed to question lack of '90s variant yet again.


Don't KM '90 have a carbine though? We all know the U.S. can't make carbines... :^)


It's literally an M4.

If only I could remember where the M4 comes from...

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Re: USA and USSR the superpowers... or not?

Postby Seryn » Sat 24 Dec 2016 18:01

Solo wrote:
Sweedish_Gunner wrote:
Solo wrote:
Also Delta '90's potential armament is already in the game, go look at the Danish Jaegre '90 in the recon tab and proccced to question the lack of Delta '90 again.


Or Korps Mariner '95, don't even have to leave the inf tab.

Proceed to question lack of '90s variant yet again.


Don't KM '90 have a carbine though? We all know the U.S. can't make carbines... :^)


It's literally an M4.

If only I could remember where the M4 comes from...[/quote]

Belguim? :?

Also ATACMS is fine, its basically an Uragan with less saturation and more precision.

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Postby wargamer1985 » Sat 24 Dec 2016 18:50

Seryn wrote:
Solo wrote:
Sweedish_Gunner wrote:
Don't KM '90 have a carbine though? We all know the U.S. can't make carbines... :^)


It's literally an M4.

If only I could remember where the M4 comes from...


Belguim? :?

Also ATACMS is fine, its basically an Uragan with less saturation and more precision.

Nah, it is a Dutch creation.

And the ATACMS really isn't fine, it should probably be resolved into a MARS and be done with it. The argument could be made that the MARS deserves a buff on its own merits, but it is a lot healthier to gameplay than the ATACMS anyway.
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Re: USA and USSR the superpowers... or not?

Postby Seryn » Sat 24 Dec 2016 18:58

wargamer1985 wrote:
Seryn wrote:
Solo wrote:
It's literally an M4.

If only I could remember where the M4 comes from...


Belguim? :?

Also ATACMS is fine, its basically an Uragan with less saturation and more precision.

Nah, it is a Dutch creation.

And the ATACMS really isn't fine, it should probably be resolved into a MARS and be done with it. The argument could be made that the MARS deserves a buff on its own merits, but it is a lot healthier to gameplay than the ATACMS anyway.


In the same vein neither is any other Cluster munition.

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