[Historical Accuracy-wise] Carl Gustav for more line infantry?

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[Historical Accuracy-wise] Carl Gustav for more line infantry?

Postby Eukie » Wed 14 Dec 2016 16:40

Several NATO line infantry units are armed with unspecified variants of the M72 LAW to represent that the soldiers in a regular squad were armed with the M72 for anti-tank work. These often have FIST squads armed with the Carl Gustav recoilless rifle to represent platoon-level anti-tank capabilities. However, several of the squads such units represent would also have been armed with the heavier Carl Gustav recoilless on the squad level. For example, Canadian mechanized sections in West Germany would each have an 84mm MAW; only while deployed in Canada would the MAW be kept at the platoon level. (Link)

This is also the case for Dutch mechanized infantry, where in addition to a number of M72 LAWs each squad would have one Carl Gustav (Link) Likewise for the British Army (Link) and Danish army (Link). There may very well be more!

In any case, it seems like there's a lot of forces that could, and if we allow ourselves to be convinced by historical accuracy, should have a Carl Gustav as their main anti-tank weapon, rather than the M72 - especially when keeping in mind that they would have preferentially used the Carl Gustav against Soviet armour, since the M72 was somewhat lacking against it by the 1980's.

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Postby keldon » Wed 14 Dec 2016 17:07

Same would go for Japanese infantry squad. A decent amount of CG was bought in 1980.
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Re: [Historical Accuracy-wise] Carl Gustav for more line infantry?

Postby Mister Maf » Wed 14 Dec 2016 18:40

keldon wrote:Same would go for Japanese infantry squad. A decent amount of CG was bought in 1980.

I'd really like to see the Japanese get the Panzerfaust 3 since they were IIRC the first export customer.

Anyway, while giving the CG to Canadian Rifles may be historically accurate, consider it would bump up the price for a unit with a pretty weak machine gun. I'd kind of rather they stay at 10 points since the TH-495 got a price increase. At least they have the M72A4, which is kind of usable.

If this were to happen, then the RPG-7 should also receive the buffs from this thread to keep it balanced between Red and Blue.
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Postby wargamer1985 » Wed 14 Dec 2016 18:46

Mister Maf wrote:
keldon wrote:Same would go for Japanese infantry squad. A decent amount of CG was bought in 1980.

I'd really like to see the Japanese get the Panzerfaust 3 since they were IIRC the first export customer.

Anyway, while giving the CG to Canadian Rifles may be historically accurate, consider it would bump up the price for a unit with a pretty weak machine gun. I'd kind of rather they stay at 10 points since the TH-495 got a price increase. At least they have the M72A4, which is kind of usable.

If this were to happen, then the RPG-7 should also receive the buffs from this thread to keep it balanced between Red and Blue.

Could probably give them the RPG-7V, but that would still be inferior to the Charlie G, and later RPG-7 models would be more powerful than the Charlie G. I am a little divided on this, to be honest.
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Re: [Historical Accuracy-wise] Carl Gustav for more line infantry?

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Fri 16 Dec 2016 00:49

Eukie wrote:[Historical Accuracy-wise] Carl Gustav for more line infantry?

Infantry weapon selection tends to mirror the unit experience, with the best troops having the most effective AT weapons.
Any regular troops could have a Carl Gustav or a Vampyr, but we're using it to set shock/elite troops appart.
And we won't change that now ...

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Postby GARGEAN » Fri 16 Dec 2016 01:19

[EUG]MadMat wrote:Infantry weapon selection tends to mirror the unit experience, with the best troops having the most effective AT weapons.
Any regular troops could have a Carl Gustav or a Vampyr, but we're using it to set shock/elite troops appart.
And we won't change that now ...

LOL-80?

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Postby orcbuster » Fri 16 Dec 2016 01:26

GARGEAN wrote:
[EUG]MadMat wrote:Infantry weapon selection tends to mirror the unit experience, with the best troops having the most effective AT weapons.
Any regular troops could have a Carl Gustav or a Vampyr, but we're using it to set shock/elite troops appart.
And we won't change that now ...

LOL-80?


Downgrading fusilers 90 to carl gustav might be a good idea
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Postby Killertomato » Fri 16 Dec 2016 01:37

orcbuster wrote:
Downgrading fusilers 90 to carl gustav might be a good idea


I would rather downgrade APILAS and LAW-80 ROF to a level that makes sense given that they're both insanely huge.
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Re: [Historical Accuracy-wise] Carl Gustav for more line infantry?

Postby FrangibleCover » Fri 16 Dec 2016 01:38

orcbuster wrote:Downgrading fusilers 90 to carl gustav might be a good idea

And to L7A1 to be honest. It's not an unrealistic loadout, they wouldn't become horrible because they'd be pretty similar to Panserskytte and Syoujuu Buntai '90 and there'd be no confusion over what the L86 does on line infantry ( [CQC] murdermachine? Stabilised LMG? Whatever it's doing now? Its actual combat role of Involuntarily Bolt-Action DMR? :lol:).

Then you can give it to Paratroopers '90 with whatever stats you like so that they're further differentiated from Gurkhas '90 and Royal Marines '90.
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Postby orcbuster » Fri 16 Dec 2016 01:48

Killertomato wrote:
orcbuster wrote:
Downgrading fusilers 90 to carl gustav might be a good idea


I would rather downgrade APILAS and LAW-80 ROF to a level that makes sense given that they're both insanely huge.


Been down that road, refuse to belabour points ad infinitum when no changes seem to be forthcoming on that front as that way lies madness.

But we could always do both
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