1) NSWP and mostly USSR have no viable option to deal with aggresive Longbow openings. The only AA capable to stop it and protect the ground forces are Tunguska (but it dies almost every time) and Tunguska-M (50:50 chance to survive versus Longbow). However, these AA systems are currently overpriced for their capabilities in our opinion. Next reasons will show why:
2) Basic Tunguska 85 pts (-15 points).
Tunguska is a combination of SPAAG and SAM. However, it cant shoot both gun and rocket weapons at the same time. So we look at the two OPTIONS we have. If used as SAM, its performance can be estimated somewhere between AMX-30 Roland (45pts) and Chaparral (55pts) Yet the firing pattern is worse than both of these SAMs. The SPAAG capabilities are comparable to the FlakPZ.Gepard (55-65pts). We consider that Tunguskas strongest capabilities lies in its guns and its main function is SPAAG. So the possibility to turn into subpar SAM is only a little addition comparable having ATGM on a tank (T-72B), so the price increase should be minimal. At this point it is very important to make clear that for most “combined“ SPAAG the charge for having MANPADS mounted is only around 5 – 10 pts, and they are capable shooting both guns and rockets at the same time. (FlakPZ.Gepard A2 is basically armed with additional 45pts Avenger that costs maximum 10 points not considering the gun upgrade over basic A1 version)
3) Tunguska-M 100 pts (-15 points).
The main reasoning is same as the 2nd point about basic Tunguska, also same price difference between basic and M variant of tunguska should be maintained. Tunguska-M has similar SPAAG as Gepard A2, but SAM is now comparable to Crotale (60pts). And it still can work only one at a time. So Tunguska-M is either a 65 pts Gepard or “65“pts Crotale (with more rockets but tracked) And here is another approach to our problem we pay whole 35 points for the OPTION to chose between SAMs or SPAAG. Even if the price would be decreased to 85 it would still be additional 20 points for this OPTION.
nande wrote:.....the tung missile has a 3s reload. Crotale, adats, stormer, pgz-95 etc have 1s.
Conclusion: Now, Tunguskas look pretty overpriced in comparison with their role-analogues: Stormer HVM, Crotale, Machbet and other long-range anti-helicopter AA and long-range SPAAGs. We think that pricing made on summing the price of components for Tunguskas is unfair and not represented in other combined units. With this pricing model the expected price for FlakPz. Gepard A2 would be at least 90pts (=55pts [gepard] + 35 pts[avenger]) and even here it would be more justified because both weapons can be fired simultaneously. Our hopes are to see their price decreased to 70 points for Basic Tunguska and to 85 for Tunguska-M in upcoming patches.