What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby Solo » Wed 28 Dec 2016 20:22

Killertomato wrote:Everyone's top-tier shells are overspecced for the timeframe except the US's.



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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby Fade2Gray » Wed 28 Dec 2016 20:26

Solo wrote:
Killertomato wrote:Everyone's top-tier shells are overspecced for the timeframe except the US's.



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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby Steamfunk » Wed 28 Dec 2016 20:53

Everyone's top-tier shells are overspecced for the timeframe except the US's.


There really isn't anything that penetrates above 700mm. If Yugoslavia can use more recent ammo then I don't see why Finland can't. The stats for the T-72 aren't exactly consistent, and where did that 10 RPM come from?

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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby JoonasTo » Wed 28 Dec 2016 21:57

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Killertomato wrote:23 AP for anyone outside the USSR is fudge. Even 23 AP is kinda fudge for Svinets.

AFAIK it was equivalent to M829A1, which is 22 AP.

Indeed, but then all those Euro tanks would need to lose their 23/22 AP as well since they didn't even have anything comparable to M829A1 in the timeframe (before 1995).

And if you look in the armoury, they don't? DM33 2A4 has 19AP vs 20AP of M829A1 M1A1HA @2275 in the game while realworld stats are quoted 560mm vs 570mm @2000. That seems pretty properly done.

2A5 uses the OOTF DM53.
M1A1HC seems to be using M829A2 and M1A2 OOTF M829A3.

3BM48 is "quoted" at 650mm @2000, so is 3BM44M but at a higher speed. If we just go by those numbers, the 23AP seems a decent value to put on it.
It is a much more interesting question that where do they come up with those 20 ap rounds for their tanks because BM42 does not have anything near that. :lol:
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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby Razzmann » Wed 28 Dec 2016 21:58

What round does the Dutch 2A4 use to get 21AP?

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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby terror51247 » Wed 28 Dec 2016 22:08

Razzmann wrote:What round does the Dutch 2A4 use to get 21AP?

Ingame's ap stats make no sense realism wise.
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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby JoonasTo » Wed 28 Dec 2016 22:09

DM43 would be my guess

terror51247 wrote:
Razzmann wrote:What round does the Dutch 2A4 use to get 21AP?

Ingame's ap stats make no sense realism wise.

Quoted stats in the real world make no sense realism wise either so it's fine. :lol:
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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby Steamfunk » Wed 28 Dec 2016 22:19

And if you look in the armoury, they don't? DM33 2A4 has 19AP vs 20AP of M829A1 M1A1HA @2275 in the game while realworld stats are 560mm vs 570mm @2000. That seems pretty properly done.


This is what I got -

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DM-33 - 560mm = 19
DM-43 - 590mm = 20
DM-53 - 680-700mm = 22
M829 - 550mm = 19
M829A1 - 650mm = 21
M829A2 - 670-700mm = 22

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BM-42 - 520mm = 18
BM-32 - 560mm = 19
BM-46 - 650mm = 21

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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby HrcAk47 » Wed 28 Dec 2016 22:26

Yugo had a high performance APFSDS-T round (designed for 600+ pen) in the works (finished, adopted and produced) known as M90 for the standard length of T-72 autoloader.

It is seen here as M04, a rebrand of M90, produced by Pretis Unis, Sarajevo. Its penetrator design was exported to Slovakia, Poland, and elsewhere. Post war, though.

Vihor ammo is hard to find data about, since it is longer than the T-72 autoloader can take. Therefore, it is not marketed, produced or researched further. It was designed for 700+ mm, presumptive name M93. Penetrator of M90 and M93 only differs in length.

I think 22 AP was adequate and in-line with current rounds.
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Re: What is the reason for Finland's glass cannon tanks?

Postby Steamfunk » Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:57

Yugo had a high performance APFSDS-T round (designed for 600+ pen) in the works (finished, adopted and produced) known as M90 for the standard length of T-72 autoloader.


The number I have for M04 is 540mm.

A few more -

OFL-120-G1 = DM-43
OFL-120-F1, 650mm = 21 (DU)
L26 Charm, 530mm = 19 (also DU)

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