FrangibleCover wrote:If we want to play Cold War What If then the next game should bring the timeline up to 1995/6 and that's IT! Finito! You can have the army your country wanted to have in 1995 back in 1991 when you had funding (and in some cases, a country) and then you stop. If there's some sort of system that you wanted to get into service in 1997 then I guess that's too fucking bad, better nip into your Tardis and go back in time to the late 80s to slap the Economy Minister (or local equivalent) about and get him to release some funding for it.
That is too simple.. You have to give some additional years to, simply because the defence spending sank rapidly in europe (and the US, too) and the USSR's economy collapsed. Some contrys are given more "what if" units, some less but based on clear rules that can be seen by everyone in the forum and that assists new or natinalistic posters to not post BS.
So take a easy example: West Germany. It did not break up as its brother but also would have held its defence spending and developement high if cold war continues (Remember, it had the second largest tank army after the US in NATO with over 2000 Leopard 2
, not counting the 1800 Leopard 1).
A lot of projects where put on halt or developement time streched and some things never aquired.
To name quite a few that only
came after 1996 or never because of this:
- Leopard 2A5 only from 1995 onwards, would have been much more available in 1995 did the CW not end
- Leopard 2A6 (about the WRD M1A2 maybe +5% acc)
- Marder 2 (well, here EUG was geneous
- PZH2000 (same as AS90)
- G11 for more than one unit (though not all of them)
- G41 (modernized G3 in 556 for 90' line inf)
- Eurofighter (special case as it would have the ASRAAM and AIM-120 as the british, too)
- PAH-2 Tiger with 8xHOT-2 (or even PARS 3 LR/Trigat-LR)
- Tornado IDS with ASSTA upgrade to carry LGBs
Or the US:
- ADATS on Bradly (they even started training their soldiers within time frame)
- Javelin (i know, left out b/c of balancing)
- Maybe F-22, as you do not know if the reduced funding was the reason its maiden flight was in 1997 or it may have been brought operational much sooner
Or USSR with the Kornet or some fancy super tanks
You have to consider that and it is considered by the new DLC nations and some old nations who completely disappeared like East Germany getting Tunguska, Tor and MSTA-S or Yugo getting M-91(A Vihor) and DRUG etc
But unforunately this "what if" rule is not applied equally to all nations
I would love to see the time frame expended to 1995 with quite some "what if" for Wargame 4.
MadMat could build a story around this and the old USA = Air Dominance (F-22) and USSR = Ground Dominance (T-95 or whatever Obj. XYZ) game could be introduced.
This scenario is afaik not used by any game/movie so far and would still
It would require only a manageable amount of new models that may lead to the quality of new models being the same as in the Nations DLC's.
More time could be spend in advanced or new game meachanics (better UI in game, better AI of your troops, multi tageting/target sharing for SAM and Longbow/PAH-2 w Trigat, decrease of accuarcy if target is moving, SACLOS/SALH ATGMs reaquireing target if LOS has been lost for short time, maybe recovering vehicles to get a small deployment piont bonus, more extensive terrain, maybe even destructable with artillery craters not be passable for wheeled vehicles, destroyable cover, extensive town fighting and many many more)