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Postby Narcissistic 2036 » Sat 31 Dec 2016 01:12

As we all know, the Rafale is in Wargame: Red Dragon. The unit date is listed as 1991, and it is not available in the Marine spec. This is very generous, as the Air Army didn't get a Rafale squadron (or even planes) until 2007. Meanwhile, the Navy got their first Rafale Ms in 2000. So...why isn't the Rafale available to Marine spec? France, as one of the original nations, seems to have been a tad bit overlooked when it came to Marine deck balance-the recent correction of the Legion '90 to Marine being a prime example. Considering France actually had carriers and does indeed fit somewhat into the cookie-cutter USMC standard mold, the Rafale should be available. It is a carrier-borne aircraft.
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Postby Greyhound » Sat 31 Dec 2016 01:31

The Rafale should indeed be in the marine deck.
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Postby Darkmil » Sat 31 Dec 2016 15:21

It should.
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Postby Narcissistic 2036 » Sat 31 Dec 2016 15:54

Also, do y'all reckon there is any reason that there are no air-ground Eurofighters or Rafales in-game? It wouldn't even have to break the 1-loadout-per-variant rule, say, by either using two-seater versions (Two-seater Eurofighters are quite a sight) as they did with the NF-5 for the Netherlands, or by blocks or national equivalents (ex. Block 50/52 F-16, or Tranche 1/2/3 Eurofighter)?
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Postby Vulcan 607 » Sat 31 Dec 2016 16:10

Narcissistic 2036 wrote:Also, do y'all reckon there is any reason that there are no air-ground Eurofighters or Rafales in-game? It wouldn't even have to break the 1-loadout-per-variant rule, say, by either using two-seater versions (Two-seater Eurofighters are quite a sight) as they did with the NF-5 for the Netherlands, or by blocks or national equivalents (ex. Block 50/52 F-16, or Tranche 1/2/3 Eurofighter)?


Balance having multiple typhoons and rafales even with reduced AtA loads would be a pain to balance 3 weapon limit is also a pain

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Postby Narcissistic 2036 » Sat 31 Dec 2016 16:24

Vulcan 607 wrote:
Narcissistic 2036 wrote:Also, do y'all reckon there is any reason that there are no air-ground Eurofighters or Rafales in-game? It wouldn't even have to break the 1-loadout-per-variant rule, say, by either using two-seater versions (Two-seater Eurofighters are quite a sight) as they did with the NF-5 for the Netherlands, or by blocks or national equivalents (ex. Block 50/52 F-16, or Tranche 1/2/3 Eurofighter)?


Balance having multiple typhoons and rafales even with reduced AtA loads would be a pain to balance 3 weapon limit is also a pain


It's certainly not impossible, or even cheeky, to simply give 2 short range IR missiles and then whatever the air-ground loadout is. It'd be a pain if you wanted two types of bombs, but most bombers like that are relatively weak. I mean, they could literally all be stat clones of the F-15D. F-15D works fine. You don't need Mavericks and rocket pods to take out a superheavy, nor do you need cluster and HE to help clear a forest. Gun, 2 IR missiles, bombs/ATGMs/ARMs. Doesn't break the 3 weapon rule, and it isn't hard to avoid breaking it either. Also, the ability to use these fighters not only for ASF/CAP missions is why the world bloody well uses them. The Rafale is explicitly multirole, as is the Eurofighter.
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Postby Partibrejker » Sat 31 Dec 2016 16:26

Greyhound wrote:The Rafale should indeed be in the marine deck.



same goes for tomcats and the hornets. especially tomcats.
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Postby Darkmil » Sat 31 Dec 2016 16:41

Narcissistic 2036 wrote:Also, do y'all reckon there is any reason that there are no air-ground Eurofighters or Rafales in-game? It wouldn't even have to break the 1-loadout-per-variant rule, say, by either using two-seater versions (Two-seater Eurofighters are quite a sight) as they did with the NF-5 for the Netherlands, or by blocks or national equivalents (ex. Block 50/52 F-16, or Tranche 1/2/3 Eurofighter)?

Because the Ground capabilities were granted far later than the A2A capabilities, that's why, this game is about a what-if scenario for cold war up to 1995 not 2005
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Postby FrangibleCover » Sat 31 Dec 2016 16:55

Should it be purely in the Marine deck then? I don't advocate that but I think it's a question that should be asked.
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Postby Narcissistic 2036 » Sat 31 Dec 2016 16:57

Darkmil wrote:
Narcissistic 2036 wrote:Also, do y'all reckon there is any reason that there are no air-ground Eurofighters or Rafales in-game? It wouldn't even have to break the 1-loadout-per-variant rule, say, by either using two-seater versions (Two-seater Eurofighters are quite a sight) as they did with the NF-5 for the Netherlands, or by blocks or national equivalents (ex. Block 50/52 F-16, or Tranche 1/2/3 Eurofighter)?

Because the Ground capabilities were granted far later than the A2A capabilities, that's why, this game is about a what-if scenario for cold war up to 1995 not 2005



It entered service in 2000, but it says 1991. You could just keep rolling with the "early service" flavor and put the date as however many years after 2000 it gained such capability, except with the starting date being 1991. Might still not be in service, though-Eurofighters, in particular, took a very, very long time to get A2G.
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